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DayZ Launcher - loading of servers list is very slow
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Description

The DayZ Launcher is loading servers very slowly because it filters out Chinese servers on the fly and all servers must be loaded. The workaround of filtering out Chinese servers on the Launcher side does not seem like a good solution.

You can see in the video from 3:08 that the loading is faster because there are no Chinese servers to filter out by DayZ Launcher. It takes 4 minutes to load the server list with only 4,530 servers because loading Chinese servers takes 3 minutes even though they are filtered out. If the Launcher does not need to filter out Chinese servers, it can load the full server list in 1 minute. It's 4x slower now.

https://youtu.be/hkc5GczazeI

Details

Severity
None
Resolution
Open
Reproducibility
N/A
Operating System
Windows 7
Category
General

Event Timeline

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I'm on mobile atm

DayZ channel on Twitch

Twitch is it .TV or .com

/DayZ probably

I'm on mobile atm

DayZ channel on Twitch

Twitch is it .TV or .com

/DayZ probably

Ok Thank you

Discovered that those strange servers are listed as "Server Type: Official" as well, but they are under Community tab..

Example clip

All are fake servers, and the number of online users is fake. I hope the official can solve it as soon as possible

Not a single mention of this community crippling bug in the patch notes...

That's because it wasn't fixed.

And now my favorites and recents have wiped, so I've gotta go direct connect to all my faves again!

I've always been an advocate of DayZ and the team, but this issue going on for this long is starting to show cracks in me.

I have enough stress at work, All I want is to come home and play my favourite community server.

All I can say is, this issue must me much more complicated to fix than we all think.

Nate_LapT added a comment.EditedFeb 22 2023, 5:35 PM

Being the launchers a separate program. Why can't they just roll back to 119 or hell 118 since 119 also had search bugs.

Something obviously changed that makes that not viable.

Not only is it not fixed, it's not even "being looked into" according to their own announcement:
https://forums.dayz.com/topic/254356-state-of-120-update/?tab=comments#comment-2483984

Why am I paying for a server that no one will join because it doesn't appear in the launcher?

@Gaz

Is there something that can be done to fix this issue?

This is crippling for our community.

People cannot find my servers by name or IP. Direct connect works fine.

@Spaggie I also cannot find a single one of your servers by name or IP. I agree with everything you have said above.

@operativo Those are from 1.19...

1.19 also had major launcher issues.

1.19 Launcher Server list EXTREMELY SLOW since update
https://feedback.bistudio.com/T168430

1.19 Launcher player count wrong after list refresh
https://feedback.bistudio.com/T168639

1.19 Launcher Community tab error
https://feedback.bistudio.com/T167786

This problem has lasted for too long. The official should be alert, and players are losing

I am going to open a new ticket as critical priority now.

Geez changed the task status from Awaiting internal Testing to Acknowledged.
Geez added a subscriber: Geez.Feb 24 2023, 2:02 PM

Hello, we apologise for any inconveniences.

We understand the severity of the issues currently experienced in the launcher server browser and programmers have been looking into this for the past weeks.

The mentioned forum post is related only to newly introduced issues with 1.20, which is not the case for this specific problem. The current situation is stemming primarily from an emerging issue with Valve's master server:

https://steamcommunity.com/groups/SteamClientBeta/discussions/3/3763356482612086141/.
We have been pushing the issue with Valve.

The launcher on our side is also not without flaws, and we are aiming to address those in future updates, ideally after the issue from Valve's end is resolved and allows us a more clear view on the remaining problems, such as missing individual community servers.

Regards,
Geez

Geez raised the priority of this task from Normal to High.Feb 24 2023, 2:02 PM
Spaggie added a comment.EditedFeb 24 2023, 2:11 PM

#BlameGaben

Hey @Geez,

I believe you could merge my ticket into this one too since it relates to the same issues.
https://feedback.bistudio.com/T168965

Thanks!

Also, we appreciate the update on the situation. Wishing the team the best of luck on getting things solved!

Lad added a subscriber: Lad.Feb 24 2023, 3:12 PM

I do recall that when I last used the vanilla launcher and it of course generated the Chinese servers first off, but I notice that all the server it was generating and listing were those where the ping was over 200 at least, maybe at a stretch 180.
Some countries would be Singapore, China, Japan etc, but I am based in the UK.
Could one reason be the how the servers are located based of Geography is just straight up broken? I've set ping limiters on but nothing would show up unless I unchecked it.
This of course won't solve the speed of the servers being found, but I feel this is something else that could contribute to the whole problem, if it is not isolated to just myself.

Thanks for the Update Geez! That explains the slow search, especially in the beginning, seeing how the first servers coming in are the ones farthest away.
Also matches with my own observation of the search results starting out very slow and then somewhat picking up speed later on.

Is this also what causes the search to break off early? I've not been able to get it to search more than about 3k servers and with results coming in in inverted order our servers are usually not in that first half, so our players cannot find them.

Thanks for the work put into this Geez! Much appreciated

Thank you a lot @Geez ! This issue is killing the servers.

Thank you @Geez solid information, you're a gem.

Hello, we apologise for any inconveniences.

We understand the severity of the issues currently experienced in the launcher server browser and programmers have been looking into this for the past weeks.

The mentioned forum post is related only to newly introduced issues with 1.20, which is not the case for this specific problem. The current situation is stemming primarily from an emerging issue with Valve's master server:

https://steamcommunity.com/groups/SteamClientBeta/discussions/3/3763356482612086141/.
We have been pushing the issue with Valve.

The launcher on our side is also not without flaws, and we are aiming to address those in future updates, ideally after the issue from Valve's end is resolved and allows us a more clear view on the remaining problems, such as missing individual community servers.

Regards,
Geez

This is indeed a problem with the Query Protocol of the Valve browser. It's a long time ago. The protocol is not encrypted, and it is all clear text. It is easy to be copied and tampered with. I hope that this time we can push Valve to make changes

In my opinion, the problem of Valve raised by Geez is not only the problem of server list sorting. Many servers of Dayz Browser are forged. Look carefully at them and they all point to a server. For example, CNDZ MOD Browser filters "616292852". At least thousands of servers are forged. They seriously affect the search ranking and need to be pulled into the blacklis

raxto added a comment.Feb 25 2023, 4:47 PM

So let's summarize it.


  1. Extremly slow loading of servers. Loading the furthest away servers first is a problem with Steam, but it's a new issue. The reversed loading order has only been noticeable in Dayz for a last months.
  1. The server browser is not showing some servers, and this problem has remained unresolved for more than year. (problem of DayZ Launcher)
  1. Fake or falsely full servers in server list. I reported this as a private bug in 2021 to bring attention to the issue, but received no response or reaction. Private bug reports are not taken seriously if no one sees them.
  1. Chinese servers in server list. I don't understand why regions are not being used to reduce future problems at a local level. Steam already has regions. DayZ doesn't use them at all.

IMPORTANT: All these problems have just accumulated and not having been solved for a long time, and now they are much more problematic together.
NOTE: It will be great to give players the option to choose whether they want to load the entire server list or only small part/region, what can significatly improve loading times of server list.
SERVERSREGION
11422Asia (China 4.5K + Singapore 6.8K)
4255Europe
3706North America
332Oceania
237South America
45Africa

I hope that all these issues will be resolved as soon as possible and players and server owners will start to be happy again. 😃

@Geez
So many fake server lists are generated by one server owner

CNDZ CNDZ CNDZ..... This person is cunning and keeps changing MOD. Find their steam account and ban it. It is forbidden to upload MOD

DayZLauncher filters "616292852" keyword

Its being worked on. Lets have some faith ey. ^^
Nothing is perfect. Lets not expect perfection,
but rather, growth. Lets put our 2 cents in there and help that.

Any news about this issue ??

On PC still not showing european server list , only chinese fake server.
It's boring , and event Favoris list has gone...

no possible to joining server.

A lot of player can not play right now !

Please check on that !

Any news about this issue ??

On PC still not showing european server list , only chinese fake server.
It's boring , and event Favoris list has gone...

no possible to joining server.

A lot of player can not play right now !

Please check on that !

If you check Geez's latest post in here. You can see that they are already looking into fixing it with Valve as it's not a DayZ issue and more of a Steam issue. As soon as that gets done, they will be looking for fixes on their side to improve the launcher.

R0zik added a subscriber: R0zik.Feb 27 2023, 11:09 PM
NAyRAM added a comment.Mar 4 2023, 2:48 AM

Hello!

It seems like we're getting some more servers now (me at least). It takes a long time to get to around 700-800 and then it speeds up, I'm guessing that's when it stops loading the asian servers.

I currently get over 4000 servers under community but still not close to getting everything as there's tons of servers missing.

Thanks,
NAyRAM

Well to add my in the moment experience: first 415 servers where only from the east part of the world and then it started to load but only untill 2433 servers

DayZ launcher not finding our server?

ScypeR added a subscriber: ScypeR.Mar 7 2023, 5:55 PM

I cant find more than 3 EU servers after loading forever. FIX THIS

NAyRAM added a comment.Mar 7 2023, 6:56 PM

I cant find more than 3 EU servers after loading forever. FIX THIS

Hello, if you read this whole thread, you will notice that Geez (one of the people responsible for dayz related tickets) has explained that they are already working with Valve to solve this issue as it is not a DayZ problem directly and ONLY once that is fixed they can focus on fixing and improving the dayz launcher. Sometimes you can't just snap your fingers and it gets fixed, it takes time.

If you wish to use the Vanilla launcher, you can check the following video I made with the help of someone named Wasted:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yehzD16DrhE
Doing that you save time by adding servers to your favourites directly so you can setup the mods (if there are any) and be ready to go into the server you wish to join.

I recommend we all start directing our players to the DayZ SA Launcher in the meantime as it seems like Valve is not able to fix this easily. It runs on a separate system from the Steam service so as long as you have set your server up right it will show.
Another option is to educate people on how to direct connect but even that is having issues.

I recommend we all start directing our players to the DayZ SA Launcher in the meantime as it seems like Valve is not able to fix this easily. It runs on a separate system from the Steam service so as long as you have set your server up right it will show.
Another option is to educate people on how to direct connect but even that is having issues.

Doing that will only bring more issues than just not finding the servers. From corrupted game files all the way to mods not updating or even loading. I will never recommend software that I can't help with or the only way to get support is by paying the creator. And those are just some of the issues with it.

I recommend adding the servers to favourites manually as it saves time and it's the safest way.

I recommend we all start directing our players to the DayZ SA Launcher in the meantime as it seems like Valve is not able to fix this easily. It runs on a separate system from the Steam service so as long as you have set your server up right it will show.
Another option is to educate people on how to direct connect but even that is having issues.

Doing that will only bring more issues than just not finding the servers. From corrupted game files all the way to mods not updating or even loading. I will never recommend software that I can't help with or the only way to get support is by paying the creator. And those are just some of the issues with it.

I recommend adding the servers to favourites manually as it saves time and it's the safest way.

And how long until favorites are wiped again?
I saw problems reported all the way back in january, and its still not at "severe" according to devs. Idk, I can't play unless I manually find ips direct connect which fails most of the times anyways and then go to recent and add to favorites.
If that's not a severe issue idk what is. This is the only game breaking issue atm, and should've been fixed within 2 months.

It's definately one of the more frustrating things in the game at the moment, but the solution lies outside of bohemia.

They need people outside of their company to make changes before they can address this further.

They could've made a new launcher that doesn't go through steam, as a temp fix, no?
Every other website can gather all the info required to join, so making a temp launcher can not be anything else than easy and possible.
Maybe you can't join your friend through steam, but you could just find the server yourself, because searching for a server name on basically google, gets you everything you need within a second.
If you can't code a launcher for the game you made, to be as quick and easy as that, you should be out of a job.

Why should it be faster to open a web browser, search "dayz spaggies" and find all related servers.
Even WHEN the server browser is working, its the SLOWEST launcher I've ever used. It takes ages to find all servers.
A fucking web API hook launcher would work better than the current launcher anyways.

Remake the launcher, to one that properly works, cause the in-game launcher and the separate launcher is total garbage to begin with.

I recommend we all start directing our players to the DayZ SA Launcher in the meantime as it seems like Valve is not able to fix this easily. It runs on a separate system from the Steam service so as long as you have set your server up right it will show.
Another option is to educate people on how to direct connect but even that is having issues.

Please don't. As a responsible admin you absolutely do not want to recommend your users towards using some random, unverified, for profit third party software. Ever.

I think we should be make some loud on this bug report https://steamcommunity.com/groups/SteamClientBeta/discussions/3/3763356482612086141/

Maybe Valve do something faster to solve the error

I recommend we all start directing our players to the DayZ SA Launcher in the meantime as it seems like Valve is not able to fix this easily. It runs on a separate system from the Steam service so as long as you have set your server up right it will show.
Another option is to educate people on how to direct connect but even that is having issues.

Please don't. As a responsible admin you absolutely do not want to recommend your users towards using some random, unverified, for profit third party software. Ever.

Yes, I know it's a terrible launcher and your point is taken. My comment comes from frustration of seeing our player counts drop dramatically as a pure vanilla server.
They spoof pings and take money for listings. We have always recommended against people using it since the default launcher used to work fine.. We have redone our website and spent time educating people via Discord how to direct connect.
Hopefully there will be a resolution to this soon. I wish we had some idea what Steam themselves are saying. I have tried to find more info on that but have been unable to.

raxto added a comment.Mar 10 2023, 6:09 AM

It's definately one of the more frustrating things in the game at the moment, but the solution lies outside of bohemia.

They need people outside of their company to make changes before they can address this further.

No, not at all, the solution doesn't lies outside of Bohemia. We shouldn't blame Valve for the current situation. Valve is not responsible for the current situation. Steam can load its own server list of 8134 Counter-Strike servers in 2 minutes and 16 seconds. (GarrysMod, 5635 servers in 1minute 14seconds)
And Steam have all DayZ servers in server list complete.

The current problems are problems of DayZ launcher: 1. Players can't see the servers in DayZ Launcher, and if there are any, they are 2. Chinese or fake, 3. loading takes tens of minutes. If these 3 problems that I already wrote about T170263#2412979 will be resolved, doesn't matter if Steam loading server list in reverse order or not, because you will have complete list of servers without Chinese or fakes servers in reasonable time.

So let's summarize it.


  1. Extremly slow loading of servers. Loading the furthest away servers first is a problem with Steam, but it's a new issue. The reversed loading order has only been noticeable in Dayz for a last months.
  2. The server browser is not showing some servers, and this problem has remained unresolved for more than year. (problem of DayZ Launcher)
  3. Fake or falsely full servers in server list. I reported this as a private bug in 2021 to bring attention to the issue, but received no response or reaction. Private bug reports are not taken seriously if no one sees them.
  4. Chinese servers in server list. I don't understand why regions are not being used to reduce future problems at a local level. Steam already has regions. DayZ doesn't use them at all.


    *** IMPORTANT: All these problems have just accumulated and not having been solved for a long time, and now they are much more problematic together.

    NOTE: It will be great to give players the option to choose whether they want to load the entire server list or only small part/region, what can significatly improve loading times of server list.

    | SERVERS | REGION | | 11422 | Asia (China 4.5K + Singapore 6.8K) | | 4255 | Europe | | 3706 | North America | | 332 | Oceania | | 237 | South America | | 45 | Africa |

    I hope that all these issues will be resolved as soon as possible and players and server owners will start to be happy again. 😃

@Gaz
I think this is the easiest solution to implement to fix this. Is it possible to make the DayZ launcher settable by these Steam areas so we do not see the furthest ping servers?

sileed added a subscriber: sileed.Mar 11 2023, 2:23 AM

Been dealing with this for years on Fragnet. Just chalked it up to the host not being on top of their gear. Really put a dent into my project for the last 3+ years.

Some changes have occurred, but fixing is still ongoing.

Geez added a comment.Mar 14 2023, 10:51 AM

So let's summarize it.


  1. Extremly slow loading of servers. Loading the furthest away servers first is a problem with Steam, but it's a new issue. The reversed loading order has only been noticeable in Dayz for a last months.
  2. The server browser is not showing some servers, and this problem has remained unresolved for more than year. (problem of DayZ Launcher)
  3. Fake or falsely full servers in server list. I reported this as a private bug in 2021 to bring attention to the issue, but received no response or reaction. Private bug reports are not taken seriously if no one sees them.
  4. Chinese servers in server list. I don't understand why regions are not being used to reduce future problems at a local level. Steam already has regions. DayZ doesn't use them at all.


    *** IMPORTANT: All these problems have just accumulated and not having been solved for a long time, and now they are much more problematic together.

    NOTE: It will be great to give players the option to choose whether they want to load the entire server list or only small part/region, what can significatly improve loading times of server list.

    | SERVERS | REGION | | 11422 | Asia (China 4.5K + Singapore 6.8K) | | 4255 | Europe | | 3706 | North America | | 332 | Oceania | | 237 | South America | | 45 | Africa |

    I hope that all these issues will be resolved as soon as possible and players and server owners will start to be happy again. 😃

@Gaz
I think this is the easiest solution to implement to fix this. Is it possible to make the DayZ launcher settable by these Steam areas so we do not see the furthest ping servers?

Just to clarify. This is not being ignored.
I have forwarded this proposed solution to the devs when it was proposed the first time in another ticket. However, I do not have any info from the devs yet as to whether this would be possible to implement or would solve our issues.

Spaggie added a comment.EditedMar 14 2023, 12:31 PM

Thanks Geez

Right now we're seeing all our servers listed with a 'spaggie' search on the community tab topping out at about 6000 servers

This is the first time for weeks and weeks we've seen this

So let's summarize it.


  1. Extremly slow loading of servers. Loading the furthest away servers first is a problem with Steam, but it's a new issue. The reversed loading order has only been noticeable in Dayz for a last months.
  2. The server browser is not showing some servers, and this problem has remained unresolved for more than year. (problem of DayZ Launcher)
  3. Fake or falsely full servers in server list. I reported this as a private bug in 2021 to bring attention to the issue, but received no response or reaction. Private bug reports are not taken seriously if no one sees them.
  4. Chinese servers in server list. I don't understand why regions are not being used to reduce future problems at a local level. Steam already has regions. DayZ doesn't use them at all.


    *** IMPORTANT: All these problems have just accumulated and not having been solved for a long time, and now they are much more problematic together.

    NOTE: It will be great to give players the option to choose whether they want to load the entire server list or only small part/region, what can significatly improve loading times of server list.

    | SERVERS | REGION | | 11422 | Asia (China 4.5K + Singapore 6.8K) | | 4255 | Europe | | 3706 | North America | | 332 | Oceania | | 237 | South America | | 45 | Africa |

    I hope that all these issues will be resolved as soon as possible and players and server owners will start to be happy again. 😃

@Gaz
I think this is the easiest solution to implement to fix this. Is it possible to make the DayZ launcher settable by these Steam areas so we do not see the furthest ping servers?

Just to clarify. This is not being ignored.
I have forwarded this proposed solution to the devs when it was proposed the first time in another ticket. However, I do not have any info from the devs yet as to whether this would be possible to implement or would solve our issues.

Thank you for the update @Geez
It looks like things are also improved here in the US as well. I am showing 6964 servers and The Struggle Bus is now findable again.

murphey added a subscriber: murphey.EditedMar 19 2023, 11:24 PM

I'm still missing lots of servers I'm usually playing on.
I can add them to my favorites via direct connect -> recent -> favorite workaround, so they are online and reachable but they are not findable in the Community Tab.

It shows me about 6000 Servers after ~2min loading.

This guy seems to have the same problem:
https://feedback.bistudio.com/T171055

Same here. Since a week or so, i do see a few more servers than the last few weeks, but still missing a lot. I normally play on EU Community Servers, but only a part of them are here. With the DZSA launcher i do however, see all of them and with direct connect i can connect on the official launcher as well.
So think there is still some major problem with the server browser.

There are still a large number of fake servers in the community list, which all point to a group of servers, and players cannot enter the game normally through search
The number of people online is fake
The server list is also fake
They destroyed the game environment

Hello

The trouble also is that there's other factors that can cause spurious results and it's hard to untangle those because many people don't even know about them

Your Official Community server list can be corrupted by your steam effectively over stressing your router by pinging too fast, that sometimes needs a little choke/throttle in this place, and turning it down can get better results

It's very hard to untangle many things

murphey added a comment.EditedMar 21 2023, 5:36 PM

Hello

The trouble also is that there's other factors that can cause spurious results and it's hard to untangle those because many people don't even know about them

Your Official Community server list can be corrupted by your steam effectively over stressing your router by pinging too fast, that sometimes needs a little choke/throttle in this place, and turning it down can get better results

It's very hard to untangle many things

Thanks for the tip, but that's, at least for me, definitely not the problem.

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murphey added a comment.EditedMar 24 2023, 4:44 PM

Here is a pretty simple php script to query the valve master server and also the answer you get. (message.txt)
I get a correct response from valve every time with ALL the servers I'm missing in the DayZ ingame Launcher. (tested the script on several locations all over Europe - same result)

For testing purposes I set up 2 new Servers.
They are missing in the Ingame Launcher but I'm getting the correct data from valve!

Showserver1 5.83.170.13:14001/14000 (Nitrado)
Showserver2 45.142.107.197:27017/2402 (Self-hosted)
(03.04.23: Offline, looks like it got fixed, they appeared)

Both of them are showing up on the DZSA-Launcher, BattleMetrics, etc.
Its not only me who can't see them ingame, also tested this with several people in Europe.

Trase added a subscriber: Trase.Mar 24 2023, 7:21 PM

Here is a pretty simple php script to query the valve master server and also the answer you get. (message.txt)
I get a correct response from valve every time with ALL the servers I'm missing in the DayZ ingame Launcher. (tested the script on several locations all over Europe - same result)

For testing purposes I set up 2 new Servers.
They are missing in the Ingame Launcher but I'm getting the correct data from valve!

Showserver1 5.83.170.13:14001/14000 (Nitrado)
Showserver2 45.142.107.197:27017/2402 (Self-hosted)

Both of them are showing up on the DZSA-Launcher, BattleMetrics, etc.
Its not only me who can't see them ingame, also tested this with several people in Europe.

I can confirm. My server is also not visible in the launcher, but on battlemetrics! My server appears in the output of your script.

Our server is also not coming up in the launcher search since the beginning of february. The search for me stops after 6200-6500 servers without finding ours, even with the suggested ping-setting-change.

We're running a vanilla server for 2+ years, the last 3 patches/wipes we had about 2000-2200 unique players joining during the first 2 months of a wipe - this time we are at 1200 after the same time. We had mainly our regulars playing.
Normally randoms would find the server for example when it reaches high/full pop, as it would pop up in their search, but those were/are lacking this time which made this patch tough

Ofc there is many more reasons that could play into our player count, but the difference/lack of new people joining the server and discord was very noticable this patch, especially while the server was full regularly during the first weeks.

Hope you guys can get to the bottom of the problem soon and fix it for those of us who still not appear in the server list - thanks for putting all this work into this game we love!

People who disrupt the game environment cause server searches to change. Already found, they appear on the official server

It's really funny. Why don't bad people get punished? This is not fair!


https://feedback.bistudio.com/T171292

616292852 This group has been associated with fake server lists, and they have caused many problems

I hope the authorities can find out about this matter

raxto added a comment.EditedApr 1 2023, 4:14 PM

It seems that some fixes have been applied, please check if you can find your servers among the community servers.

mrdarn added a comment.Apr 1 2023, 5:44 PM

Whilst the search is infinitley better, I'm still having a small problem.

My favourites are appearing at the top of the community list, and are locked.

They appear normally in the actual favourites list though, so that isn't a problem.

Doing a DayZ File verify helps for a short time, but it's back to doing it again now.

I've spoken to a few of my friends, and I'm the only one to see this so far, so could be just a me thing.

Thanks for the progress!
It's good to see.

NAyRAM added a comment.Apr 1 2023, 6:17 PM

Search is a lot faster now it seems!
I have verifyed game files and restarted steam and I'm getting just over 7k servers showing up relatively fast.

I believe the search is now based on ping as the high ping servers only appeared at the end of the search.

The asian "spam" servers are still present (at the end of search) but they don't block the launcher anymore.

It also seems like when I search for servers on the community tab they all show as "unknown state" IF they are also on my favourites list:

Also most of my favourites show as "unknow state":

The servers with "unknown state" are not available to join having the lock on the Join button:

NAyRAM added a comment.Apr 1 2023, 6:19 PM

The "unknown state" above seems to get fixed by restarting the game browser

It seems that some fixes have been applied, please check if you can find your servers among the community servers.

Hello,

The servers that, at least, I couldn't find are now all there!

Thank you very much.

It's defintely getting better

Keep doing things!

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