Women are allowed on the front lines now, why wouldn't they be in 2035? There is no reason not to have female character models, all it does is add diversity in game and make the world feel more alive. I'm tired of playing male characters, and I am sure other women that enjoy arma are too.
So please consider adding female models, and not just civies with combat capabilities. {F17156} {F17157} {F17158} {F17159}
I'm female and i've been playing since arma 2 ..I like the game a lot :) I'm also not the only girl who plays arma ;)
Nothing would make me happier than having female friends to play Arma with and I'm more than happy to shoot female characters alongside the male ones.
On a side note, where are these women - I must meet them!! lol
I have a really good female friend who got into Arma after I showed her ArmA 2 a while back. Not having female soldiers does not mean a woman cant play the damn game people. I am not against it, I just don't like these comments about "ohhh it'll get more girls into the game!" Thats horse shit. If a girl wants to play a video game, you are not going to stop her by making male characters the only option.
Now, that being said I do support having female characters in the game for the sake of diversity, and realism. Femaile pilots, medics, vehicle crews, supporters, etc. In campaign I don't want to see female soldiers on the front lines as infantry grunts (aka the meat for the grinder), but all other roles are fine.
In multiplayer I don't want to see assclowns playing females in their underwear, with high pitch voices, running around like retards. We get enough of that already. Gamers in general (dont take offense if you are not like this, I said "in general" for a reason) tend to be immature and do very odd things because there is nothing stopping them. I don't want to help them further.
In the end, you are never ever going to see your damn character's face so what does it matter? Even in 3rd person, you have a helmet or headgear on in most cases, and if you don't you still can't reverse your cam, nor will you ever see yourself in a cutscene. So it does not matter. Everyone is a body in a uniform, vest and helmet with a rifle.
All of that being said, I cannot vote on this topic. I both want and don't want this feature.
@Cypher
All the other issues aside, when it comes to this game this statement covers it all. "Everyone is a body in a uniform, vest and helmet with a rifle." - Cypher
Boom Problem Solved. Make female soldiers an option and be done with it.
Agent, here all week - Thankyou.
@Cypher ..being honest, I get quite a bit more interested in a game if i can play as female in the game.. i just feel more like I am the character if i can better identify with the character that i'm in control of.. and that makes it more fun for me.
So yes i think it can actually help get more females playing a game if they can play as female. Works for me anyway.
You can sorta see your characters face btw.. 3rd person view, free look around yourself.
smh here... christ, it's just a military sandbox. Keyword: sandbox. People should be allowed to make of it what they will, and if they want the option to have female soldiers then they're allowed. No-one is forcing you guys to *HAVE* to play with female characters, if you really want that then make a mission with male only.
If it was an option, people can just choose, and freedom of choice would be better than specifically saying "no, you can't", or "yes, you must".
smh here... christ, it's just a military sandbox. Keyword: sandbox. People should be allowed to make of it what they will, and if they want the option to have female soldiers then they're allowed. No-one is forcing you guys to *HAVE* to play with female characters, if you really want that then make a mission with male only.
If it was an option, people can just choose, and freedom of choice would be better than specifically saying "no, you can't", or "yes, you must".
If your interest falls into the category of just having women capable of using weapons IE capable of gameplay, but not quite on board the direct female soldier aspect for any number of reasons, please see here. http://feedback.arma3.com/view.php?id=11765
Sandbox or not, you guys are right - it's just a game. Regardless of whatever goes on in real life, if females have an interest in the game I would say there's a pretty good case for implementing this right there. I'm not convinced there's a significant number of them, but whatever, at least the ones that play can shut up about it :P
Should these females look anything like the fake and sexist pictures posted? I think that would detract from the feel of the game. They should look, walk, and talk like soldiers. The differences in males and females should be subtle. I'd go so far as to say they all have shaved heads only (future, equal rights, bla bla bla).
I do stand by my meaningless, minority vote, though, because it's not my plight, and I'd rather see other features more pertinent to my interests.
They should all just be clones of this chick from Aliens:
http://bulk.destructoid.com/ul/230535-aliens-colonial-marines-and-upping-the-female-ante/03-620x.jpg
Gotta admit, it does sound fun to bump. ;-)
According to the Bible, Man was first on this earth. We all know where this lead. ;-)
Arma is supposed to be played by mature people. Ther's plenty of abusing as it is now, missing the chance of having female modeled characters is just doing women wrong. if we were to prevent deploying nything that might be exploited we'd have a very poor game.
choose a good server to play in, or pick a mature clan and join. Leave the scum to theirselves.
I think it wouldn't matter but if it delays all the good stuff like jets and tanks I will have to say no to it
Females delay anything?
Shrugs.
Takes them an hours just to put on makeup and do their hair. I'm sure some are wondering just how good the shocks are in the back seat of a tank, or jet.
Good point, roger. Respawn time for females should be 30 minutes + since they need to put on makeup and choose a dress first.
And because this is the internet im going to go ahead and tell you that it was a joke. Because i just know that someone would take it serious if i wouldnt tell you that its a joke.
Well with the recent news that the campaign will be released in stages as free DLC it sounds like they are releasing but continuing to add content,
so I guess it wouldn't delay anything much if they were added in after release
Unless these posts on the tracker are bugs BI pretty much confirmed that there is no point posting requests like these, all the most important and highly voted have not even had a version of implementation but Wasteland players who wanted hidden hud for streaming got what they asked for.
It's sad to see that BIS do so much effort on DayZ, Wasteland or another projects and let the origins ( OFP becoming Arma serie ), women are part of the armies, just give more realism to A3. Need to stay and to continue to become more realistic, Arma is the beginning of the story of BIS, and Arma of their fans. Have no prob with the rest of their projects only if they continue to put the more effort on their flagship game, and to listen to us on the most realistics things.
That's said, really need women, realistic and so cute...
Yes BI are effectively (and this is something very risky but oh well) saying "We do not need the ARMA series we will just incorporate most of the features requested since OFP days and dump them in DayZ!" Before any of you start writing replies to this if you do just realize these two things, 1st: BI keep pulling up the excuse of the lack of manpower making it so many features can not be put in, why? Because an already small company is working on 3 games at once now. 2nd: They keep saying they have fixed many issues but have not incorporated any of the highest rated features on the Feedback Tracker, even the ones reported on the first few weeks of the launch of this site.
I really do love BI and I am a loyal supporter but they are dangerously close (I think) to loosing a lot of if not all of the reputation from their long beloved ARMA fans. I would happily wait another year for the release just if they added the main features asked. I also understand that they work hard but you would not have to work as hard if you just concentrated on one game. After all a Games Company shouldn't be entirely about the money which seems to become the most common thing with most of them nowadays, BI do not give in I beg of you!
I have to agree on that, I would prefer BI to delay the game than to release it in a hurry and fuck up
please BI, take your time
"Hurrah: Call Of Duty Has Women Now, Also Multiplayer"
http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2013/08/15/call-of-duty-has-women-now-also-multiplayer/
Anybody can paste a female face onto a 3D computer generated male body, suck in helium for female voices and charge another $10 for calling it an upgrade.
Oh wait, Windows does this already! ;-)
BTW, the photo displaying one female within the Call of Duty is so unrealistic. Looks like she was pulled from working behind a desk. ;-)
(I can now envision Call of Duty's medics stating in a male helium resonated voice, "Hey Big Boy, would you like a hand with that?")
I figure I'd post about this again, for all you retards with selective vision. CoD OFICIALY has pussy power! (http://www.military.com/off-duty/games/2013/08/16/call-of-duty-ghosts-5-ways-its-different.html?ESRC=ent.sm) I will say this again, to all those comlaining about this being Arma, not CoD: GO PLAY MOTHERFUCKING COD
It makes no sense why there should not be any female models. I don't understand all the down votes. Doesn't make any sense. Woman fight in war all the time, they kill they get killed its war, war doesn't care what sex you are.
Despite what you may think and defend against, we all know deep down that It will be abused.
There will be men/boys grabbing female characters, and dressing them of to underwear.
To deny that more than likely possibility of a very high degree is to be extremly naivé and really not showing any understanding that is based in reality.
Don't need to tell me twice.
I can just see the headlines now, "Stripping Females attack using Pole and Chair Dancing Techniques. Many men were cluster bombed from the air with panties while they slept. Penniless and exhausted, surviving men retreated to the safe havens of their parents' homes.
Upvoted.
Certainly in the British Army womed have been in all but infantry & "teeth" arms for quite a while. Having female pilots, possibly tank crews & medics woul only add imersion. The fact that some people will inevitably produce certain mods in no way distracts from the fact that having female soliders in the game would make it more realistic.
@ NorthernViking.
So what is the difference between stripping a female down to her undergarment versus putting a male in his pants? Technically they are both wearing their underwear.
Of course it will be abused... so what? does it matter that it will be abused? what harm will it do?
just play with like minded people of a realistic server, or set up your own game and kick the immature players.
Not adding features because people can abuse them is not a good road to start going down. No character model could ever be abused as seriously as voice communication for example.
They wont suddenly become serious players just because there are no women.
Anyway...you can't abuse a sandbox....
I didn't think about this for Arma, too serious, but ye there's teens, and without a good mind! Seriously it's why this game ( simulation ) need to be more realistic and fuck Cod players ( for @NorthernViking ), and a rathing of +18. In all modded games it's can be abused, but players of Arma ( the reals, the olds ) are not like that! Seriously it's not a reason to forget women or maybe it's a game for gay! ;-) Excuse-me if you're gay it's just a bad joke!
"Anyway...you can't abuse a sandbox...."
Obviously this person had never had sand in their shorts.
Seriously,
Who cares about the realities of women in the real world modern armies or in the fictitious world of the ArmAverse.
At the very least, the provisions for a female character should be present in the resource library. Things like a bone rig for proper animations, even if they are not used in the main ArmA content.
Don't think of it in terms of ArmA, think of this in terms of Community Creations using Arma... like Day-Z or ArmA-Life, in which female character resources could be useful if a creative community member wanted to construct a playable model for it.
DayZ, we are talking about a real game ; Arma number 3. Super! Make zombies, no seriously, IRL women are part of the armies, zombies, oh! What's happen???...
Nope. Nope and again nope. Most women cannot engage an enemy safely, men are stronger and can withstand more, the female would be the first to die. Nope. I love women, only not in war.
People you need to just vote. This is a waste of time arguing over there are no reasons that qualify for why games themselves should exist other then to play them. This is not detrimental to our existence.
Just vote and it will or wont happen.
as an infantry soldier I don't agree that women should be on the front lines call me sexist call me a pig but that's my view and I have reasons for it. However they are and that cant be dismissed but even if they weren't they are still in non combat roles as medics even mechanical engineers therefore there is absolutely no reason this should be given a thumbs down. By the way women still play ARMA and there are many mods for ARMA that would benefit from this. I'm giving this a +1
If the developers have time, add them in.
if not, who cares, this isn't as controversial as everyone is making it out to be.
Late post but, I think that no particular emphasis should be placed on having female SOLDIERS ingame as women are a minority in the military.
Having said that female civilians however are not only an area that MUST be improved in ARMA 3, but must be able to do whatever male characters do. The reason for this is that female characters in ARMA 2 had absolutely no gameplay value whatsoever. They had the gameplay value of the mongrel in ARMA 2, which gives a whole new meaning to a certain word that begins with the letter B. If you give female characters the ability to wield and fire weapons, there's much less incentive for abusing the characters.
It's 9 days until launch and I really hope this is implemented.
Late post but, I think that no particular emphasis should be placed on having female SOLDIERS ingame as women are a minority in the military.
Having said that female civilians however are not only an area that MUST be improved in ARMA 3, but must be able to do whatever male characters do. The reason for this is that female characters in ARMA 2 had absolutely no gameplay value whatsoever. They had the gameplay value of the mongrel in ARMA 2, which gives a whole new meaning to a certain word that begins with the letter B. If you give female characters the ability to wield and fire weapons, there's much less incentive for abusing the characters.
It's 9 days until launch and I really hope this is implemented.
lol, this is a really stupid thing to waste time and money implementing.
One question, did anybody else notice the women in the photos are wearing makeup?
Who ever made this argument posted the worst photos he could possible find.
"O don't worry let me just put my eyeliner on before the firefight starts"
"" I think that no particular emphasis should be placed on NOT having female character into the game, downvotes are a minority"" ;)
... and beside there is rabbits into the game and they have no place in the military
Pay attention, and stop whining and all you prepubescent jerks need to stop feeding the argument. It was said A LONG time ago that female models would come out from the mod community Proof positive, now you can cut it out.
@Reiber
Pay attention this is an uncontinued mod! ... honestly, also it was surly put in a great deal of time, i would like to see BI doing it properly for consistent design (behaded male torsus?), voice acting(chipmunks pitched voices), rigging (no face movements) .. like with the male models.
And besides, what does a mod have to do with a feature request for the base game?
You could say that about every issue on this board "let modders fix it"
This is a request for BIS to do it.
I don't get why so many are getting so angry that some people are asking some other people to do something, on a forum that allows them to do so....
Whoever is arguing against putting female soldiers into the game is a bigot. Their are female soldiers in almost every army in the world, risking their lives for their countries so this really should not even be a problem.
However the top priority for this game should be fixing the horrible game engine and the server client. The game lag is horrible and completely unplayable. Makes the game not worthy of being released.
Again this issue gives rise to a huge debate. Still the issue remains. Yes or no to women in the game. I'd say that female civilians certainly should be there to add to the general atmosphere and realism of the game when creating an urban environment.
Female soldiers in my opinion also have a role to play. It's a simple fact that more and more armies have female soldiers employed and more and more armies allow them in the front-lines too.
Aside from the simple fact that a female player (or male player for that matter) would possibly like to play a female character there's a few simple reasons why it's not a bad idea to implement.
First of all, it's a stand against sexism and gender discrimination. Nothing to do with the game itself, but every voice raised for this is one for a more equal society.
Secondly, It actually could add a whole new dimension. Some people here say they don't want to shoot at women or would try to save them no matter the risks. Well. that sounds actually as an interesting addition to the game if you think about it.
Third, There are claims that people will abuse to walk around in their underwear. Well...first of all, those kind of people will always find a way to annoy others. Also I see plenty players walk around in their male underwear too. Is that different? And what stops you from joining a different server? Or become a member of a more closed group where that's not allowed?
Fourth, No one is asking for BI to create big breasted, over the top hot sex symbols with a gun. They only ask for representation of females.
Then there's the question of the financial strain or development time needed to add this kind of content.
This is to my opinion the most valid argument against adding a different gender. Yes, it will cost time and money to add something to the game and it remains arguable if these resources would not be better spent on bug fixes and other types of assets. Adding a whole new gender is less time consuming then some would like you to believe, but still time consuming, and I have not the slightest idea what the costs involved would be.
Still, it does not take anything away from my previous points and therefore I'd personally feel that it could very well be time and money well spent.
Put em in and make it an option in the editor- particularly if she's as cute as the above pic- I'm with the guy above tho who doesn't dig on shooting chicks- no clue why I'd ever seek that as an option- the fact that they can be front line now should be represented and perhaps... it just might cause people to -maybe- understand war ( in reality ) really sucks and games is where it belongs. Women are game changers tho- just ask the Seal Team who popped Bin Laden what the gender was of their lead contact with the CIA
Just do a Google search and you can see quite a few NATO members are planning on or already have integrated woman into combat roles.
https://www.google.com/#q=Modern+Military+Combat+Roles+for+Women
I think, since this is primarily a GAME, and that this game takes place in the FUTURE that we should allow the option for Woman models
I'm new to this but here are my two cents.
I would love to see character customization more than just a head, glasses and a voice, meaning body type and gender etc. and I believe the units you fight alongside and against should be more diverse in that aspect. not every soldier is the same size and build after all. I'm not saying BI should add an EVE online style character creation menu (though it would be cool with some restrictions, these are soldiers after all, they gotta be built for it.) I just like to see diversity. That's asking for a lot, but in my opinion simply adding a single female model with a few heads and a few voice actors isn't, sure they'll have to rig the gear and what-not but it can be done somewhat easily with the work they've done so far.
Now, if you're like me, and have a monitor that's not optimal for gaming, then when your shooting, you cant really make out exactly what the enemy looks like, and if they were a woman they wouldn't look all that different in full gear, after proper military training. Even so, for those who would feel discouraged to fire at a woman when ordered, that adds a whole new layer, in my opinion, of depth to the game: maybe, because you hesitated, she took out two of your squad before you were able to pull the trigger, or maybe a team member had to do it instead of you.
If BI does it right, a female soldier not wearing any gear, wont look much different from a male in the same situation. they'll be muscular because they're soldiers, and they are not gonna be in a bra and panties, they will be wearing a t-shirt and briefs. that can be considered an overly sexual image if that's how you think, but the same can be said for men.
Idiots are Idiots whether they have access to a male avatar or a female one. They can RP a prostitute as a male. If the idiots are not getting banned or alternatively dealt with, the problems will persist either way.
As far as women serving in the military, they can serve on the front lines in countries including our own and the numbers are growing. Why wouldn't they in 20 years?
http://civil.laws.com/civil-news/defense-policy-changes-put-women-in-combat-36298.html
I hope to see at least a decent mod, but preferably an official update to play as, and alongside, female soldiers in the near future. It would make the game much more enjoyable for me.
If BI is having funding issues they ought to open up donations for proposed content, I'd throw money at em' and I'm other sure people would get on board as well.
~Sham
Yes.
Debate about suitability of women for combat roles is neither here nor there and discussion of the practicalities should be left to the professionals; women are already serving in combat over the world and when the US is making moves to officially integrate them in these roles across its armed services it's difficult to ignore the reality. The fact the game is set in 2035 not only makes this more likely than not, it's also a good opportunity to step outside traditional constraints just for the sake of it.
I can see why not caring about this feature suggestion means not voting, but I'm frankly a bit dismayed to see how many negative votes this has compared to other features which are also not essential to the core game and depend on a little development effort. Leave the thinly disguised chauvinism at the door.
If nothing else, implementing female models is an excellent resource for mods (and no, not referring to the inevitable "hair and makeup" and "realistic T&A" mods...)
A solid reason for female character models? Okay, so having all the soldiers be male is no biggy, it doesn't bother me because we're usually on acre or skype and we can tell who is female from the player voices, the soldiers in game doesn't really make any difference, a solid reason to add this would be game diversity. When playing maps with civilians, none combatants or similar, or even just playing a community made tourism map or a mod such as DayZ, the fact that every single character model is male, does eventually take away form the diversity and ruin immersion to a degree.
I play this game for the thrill of it, the " oh nuts we're being ambushed " or the joy of improvising a mission and it working out. it does take away from it a bit that every single model is male, why can't there be some terrified women running away from the firefight or a plucky female sniper or even the face of a woman to make you think " If we blow this entire town up to kill three targets, we're kinda being buttfaces!"
In summation, female character models would be a good game diversity, simply modding them in wouldn't work too well as the new character models, animations and weapons are a lot more fluid than the arma2 models, blending and creating your own models would be tough work as bohemia has put a lot of work into things like clothing, armor, even the position of fingers on gun triggers.
A solid reason for female character models? Okay, so having all the soldiers be male is no biggy, it doesn't bother me because we're usually on acre or skype and we can tell who is female from the player voices, the soldiers in game doesn't really make any difference, a solid reason to add this would be game diversity. When playing maps with civilians, none combatants or similar, or even just playing a community made tourism map or a mod such as DayZ, the fact that every single character model is male, does eventually take away form the diversity and ruin immersion to a degree.
I play this game for the thrill of it, the " oh nuts we're being ambushed " or the joy of improvising a mission and it working out. it does take away from it a bit that every single model is male, why can't there be some terrified women running away from the firefight or a plucky female sniper or even the face of a woman to make you think " If we blow this entire town up to kill three targets, we're kinda being buttfaces!"
In summation, female character models would be a good game diversity, simply modding them in wouldn't work too well as the new character models, animations and weapons are a lot more fluid than the arma2 models, blending and creating your own models would be tough work as bohemia has put a lot of work into things like clothing, armor, even the position of fingers on gun triggers.
down-voted im sorry but in the real world. I would not trust a woman next to me in a foxhole, i would not trust the man next to me to not be checking out the chick ass or tits and not thinking about the actual mission. Yes homosexuals are allowed in and other gays may do the same, To each their own.
down-voted im sorry but in the real world. I would not trust a woman next to me in a foxhole, i would not trust the man next to me to not be checking out the chick ass or tits and not thinking about the actual mission. Yes homosexuals are allowed in and other gays may do the same, To each their own.
+1 If it's possible in real life then I'll upvote it... anything that makes a game more "simulator" like.
DayZ had female models so it's not even that difficult.
As a gamer this is my view on this topic and how I now deal with it now. After years asking for female skins in BF games and never got them I got a refund on my BF4 and now boycott Dice/ EA games they lost me buying from them anymore.
Second females do go into front line combat in real life and get shot and killed and front line combat is not so clear cut anymore. When a game maker makes a game in a FPS war game it shows full on disrespect for female gamers to make them put on a male skin, and after 10 years of it I am fully sick of it. When I buy a game in FPS war game I want a female solder skin on if I cant get one then yes I boycott and walk from a game and buying from them for good.
Why should I pay / buy a game if it does not give me what I want and that is a female solder skin.Now I am not trying to be rude with what I say but if you have issues killing a female skin in a game then you need to put on your big boy pants and deal with the issue you have. And with any of you who have issues with female solder skins in a game think about this... play for years on end in a skin/ sex you are not then you will understand what female gamers are on about.
I started to game when q2 came out and played all the quake games as well as all the UT games. We always had female skins true not fully what one would call a war games but still FPS games. It just seems to me in the last 10 years pc games have gotten more sexist and unfair to female gamers. And I am fully done with it and will not support any game maker who does not allow female solder skins in a FPS war game.
This is just my views on this and how I deal with it now. The makers of COD games just gave female gamers what we are after female solders. I may not be a big fan of COD as the games have issues but I will suck it up and I did pre order COD Ghosts due to they got with the times 2013 and gave female gamers the choice of a female solder skins.
In closing I just got Arma3 today and did a d/l of a female mod skin as it will hold me for now. And I will give the makers of this game a chance to add female solder skins to the game. But if they do not add female solder skins will I boycott and not buy anymore games from them YES. I will not respond to my post as all this is just my views on it all and how I deal with it. FPS war games are not a boyz club.
Due to the increasing chaotic nature and the amount of spam in this thread the whole issue has been closed and replaced with a new one that sums up the main points of the original thread: #15747.
Thanks to all contributors!