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Aiming Crosshairs Problems
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We need an Option to turn it off. (The feature that moves your cross-hairs for you) It's clumsy and there is better alternatives.

The Aim Feature they added results in a handycap and is uber pathetic and ruins fair play and takes away player control. People play a game to play it not so the game can play for them.

aim bot feature that if anything belongs in noob mode single player only.

The case for shooting AI on the other bridge, town Agia Marina:

(if you pay attention the crosshairs will snap to the distant bridge rails etc as your crossharis are grazzing the enemies heads ) as your trying to headshot the running AI

Rant:
I don't like my cross hairs moving against my will, and i sure don't need aiming assistance. It's pure common sense if something is obstructing a players weapon barrel etc.

Note: The problem arises In "3rd view" and maybe 1st too but definitely 3rd view. Your cross-hairs snap to the objects around an AI or player your trying to aim at. making your aim a near complete Handy-cap

Dev's PLEASE simply test this to see what I'm talking about

Details

Legacy ID
49937468
Severity
Tweak
Resolution
Won't Fix
Reproducibility
Always
Category
Feature Request
Steps To Reproduce

try to aim at an AI or player in 3rd view. Objects have to be behind or around the AI or player your aiming at. Moving distant targets it's more noticeable.

Additional Information

We need an Option to turn it off. This is to clumsy and intrusive behavior. (not crosshairs image)

Like Hafiz said "this is disgusting engine behavior"

Aimbot definition: is not aim assist in favor of "good" or "bad". An aimbot assists in moving your aim under auto pilot hence the word bot.

They are known by communities to be scripted hacks that normally head shot enemies with autoaim (no user control) just trigger, but the true definition is above

it's not your typical classic beneficial aimbot but it's an aimbot never the less

I don't see how this is beneficial. there is more bad than good in the current way the game tries to let the players know something is obstructing LOF.

How about adding an Icon to the screen that shows a gun crossed out or something letting the player know that way. don't go moving the dang cross-hairs man!

Event Timeline

falconx1 edited Steps To Reproduce. (Show Details)Jul 27 2013, 3:14 PM
falconx1 edited Additional Information. (Show Details)
falconx1 set Category to Feature Request.
falconx1 set Reproducibility to Always.
falconx1 set Severity to Tweak.
falconx1 set Resolution to Won't Fix.
falconx1 set Legacy ID to 49937468.May 7 2016, 3:42 PM

I wasn't aware there was aim assist... Are you talking about when you're close to a wall and you can't shoot through it so it moves your crosshair?

@GeneralScott, yes if something is obstructing a players weapon barrel, a players crosshairs move to the object supposedly obstructing the weapon barrel etc

arziben added a subscriber: arziben.May 7 2016, 3:42 PM

@falconx1 well it's not "supposedly" obstructing, if the crosshair move over the object, it won't go through it

@arziben. the point here is.
"I don't like my cross hairs moving against my will, and i sure don't need aiming assistance. It's pure common sense if something is obstructing a players weapon barrel etc." lets not forget

well the point is that it's not always obvious, some objects have a bigger hitbox than expected and you often ended up shooting on the ground because you were not off of the ground enough

for example go in the administrative buildings and pass your crosshair over the small walls all the way up to the top, you'll see that the weapon can't shoot through

also calling it aimin assisstance or aimbot sounds pretty dumb imo

Well if u like the special ED aiming help fine. I don't, and i know other players don't either. I'm simply asking for an option to turn it off. Real life troops don't get this special ED aiming Help. and to me it's redundant

In real life after you use a weapon enough you get a rough idea of where your weapon is pointing, shooting shotguns and air rifles which offer a good enough weight makes me support that and it is the best way to replicate that but I do agree that if people want to turn it off, let them.

bez added a subscriber: bez.May 7 2016, 3:42 PM
bez added a comment.Jul 28 2013, 8:55 AM

Real soldiers don't get a crosshair floating in the middle of the air,
so I don't get your point.

IRL I can clearly see where the barrel is, if it's pressed to a wall or not.
In game this is not so easy to see, and in ARMA 2 for example
it often happened that you shoot the wall by mistake,
be it Because the hitboxes are not accurate enough to the actual geometry,
or because you actually view a 3D representation on a flat 2D screen.

This feature is there to show you, your barrel is actually pressed against a wall
since (like I said) is not always easy to see in game as opposed to real life.

Moreover, if you don't like it so much, why do you play with crosshair to begin with?
just turn them off in difficulty settings and go play on servers that have crosshair turned off.

Anyway, its got nothing to do with aimassist,
you still have to aim your shots.

-EDIT-
There is a mod that lower your weapon (like crysis or far cry 3) every time it's pressed against a wall
Personally I think this crosshair moving is the lazy BI solution to this problem.
If they were to implement this method, the crosshair moving wouldn't be necessary, and we will all be happy, I think.

But until then, some sort of indicator to know your barrel is pressed to something, is good to have.
I wouldn't mind of it were togable if it bothers you so much, but not taken out completely.

ok so remove my crosshair. now the argument becomes this: i don't need special ed aiming assistance

i dont want my aim moved for me, crosshairs or not, if you like the it fine then opt in and enable the option no big deal, dont hate some of us prefer not to use the stupid feature

bez added a comment.Jul 28 2013, 11:13 AM

I understand what you say, I don't care to make this an optional thing in the settings, turn it on or off, cool, I don't mind.

But there is no aiming assist, none, nada nothing.
none what so ever, NO AIMING ASSIST!!!

roflmao, true the aim assist is not really an assistant of a better aim on a target, it only assists your aim off an obstructing object. Im using the term to mock the whole thing, because i think it's redundant. but i fully respect the idea and programmers who coded it. i think it's cool never the less. but i do not want the feature. all i want is to be able to turn it off

bez added a comment.Jul 28 2013, 11:29 AM

ahh, ok I see :)

falconx, you fail to see why it's there. But whatever there are many like you who think they are too elite for a cross hair, use those elite mad skillz to goto Configure > Game > Difficulty > disable weapon crosshair. Brush up your knowledge of the other settings while you're there, maybe then we can avoid useless tickets like this.

Also disabling crosshair means you will no longer see lock boxes, enjoy.

I prefer crosshairs, but it's not a usless ticket but your comments simply are, i and many others want to use Cross hairs in 3rd person view for instance, without the crosshairs moving against my will.

Try this example. load your player in the town of Agia Marina go to the bridge and imagine trying to shoot 2 running ai on the other bridge. Your crosshairs will start flipflopping and studdering to objects against your will. happy aiming. I'm sorry were you trying to shoot straight? you can't. was something blocking your barrel? the answer is no.

it appears to me that this feature is a handy cap for those who dare use 3rd person view with crosshairs

Just had a go on the bridge, the cross hair only snapped to the yellow rail when I... wait for it... aimed at it! firing then... wait for it... hit the yellow rail!

This is actually a perfect example of what you don't understand, the new cross hairs adapt like this to compliment the new stance adjust system, it's intuitive feedback to tell you that your adjusted position is good or bad based on your surroundings. When my recoil on that bridge made the cross hair snap to the yellow rail... I adjusted up, problem (if you can even call it that) solved.

i don't care what you say, what i stated in my last comment is true. u cant aim properly as stated above, because the game happily moves your crosshairs for you

Lesson 1. The case for shooting AI on the other bridge:

(if you pay attention the crosshairs will snap to the distant bridge rails etc as your crossharis are grazzing the enemies heads ) as your trying to headshot the running AI

I can aim properly, if your recoil makes you point at obstructions adjust your position accordingly, or continue to struggle.

your wrong please stop wasting your time on this ticket now. im right your wrong just quit

So what you're trying to say falconx1, is that you want to be able to just shoot through anything in front of you regardless of whether it's blocking your rifle or not? because as Trauma describes it, it only happens when there is something blocking your rifle? If anything, it's more helpful when you are in 3rd person cause it's going to tell you that you're blocked

i want you to stop making false assumptions on my ticket. i expect to aim at anything but not shoot thru anything blocking or obstructing.
For the non-believers refer to my detailed explanation titled "Lesson 1"

You want to aim at anything? How about a yellow hand rail? I know where one is.

I want you to stop wasting developers time and I want world peace....

Sadly neither of those are going to happen it seems.

As many have stated above, it's a valuable feature that I don't think you fully grasp.

hafiz added a subscriber: hafiz.May 7 2016, 3:42 PM
hafiz added a comment.Jul 31 2013, 7:07 AM

You guys must not of read all what falcon is trying to say, so it's best i guess to explain in detail, as some people might have an IQ in subzero range.

I agree with this ticket. The example he proposed if followed directly, the engine does move your aim/crosshairs for you "we all know why the engine is moving them for you", but it has unintended consequences "falcon's example" is one of them that directly results in a handy cap in 3rd person view despite an object being no where near the player whom is trying to shoot those AI on the bridge. You could be on a hill with no objects near you, but still your cross-hairs snap to the objects around the AI. making your aim a near complete Handycap

voted UP. this is disgusting engine behavior. I too would like to be in full control of my crosshairs

This should be a higher priority in my opinion since it results in an unfair advantage since your crosshairs move against your will.

I'm not asking for it to be removed i just want an option added so players can turn off the feature that makes your crosshairs move.

Please add it :)

just give up on this ticket and do a new one without all the words that pissed people off because it insinuated that they were assisted while they weren't

can you make it:P

title: have a way to remove the crosshair's object detection

nah really I'm too tired to do it myself man, just try not to make people feel like you're implying that they're assisted (aka avoid using the terms "aimbot" or "aim assist" and such since they're not used in the right context)

yea the only reason i did previously is because im super super frustrated with how they think it's ok to even move your crosshars for you. It's really mind boggling why they would even go that route to begin with instead of adding a gun crossed out image on the middle of the screen or something. Im just passionate about the way my game is played and the aim/crosshairs being moved really bothers me. And results in an aiming handycap. When i get energy i guess ill have to make another one and avoid pissing them all off lol. They really seemed to rage when i called it an aimbot, but theoretically that's exactly what it is

I disagree with you since the fact the the crosshair is moved means that you can't shoot anyway so it shouldn't change anything but I can understand why this could upsets you
and no it's not an aimbot, an aimbot aims for you, the crosshair just tells you when you if your gun is out of cover with you which you could tell in real life but can not in game

your right aimbots aim for you lol which is what this is doing for me
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you should still be able to shoot with either option/tweak they choose.

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Aimbot definition: is not aim assist in favor of "good" or "bad". An aimbot assists in moving your aim under auto pilot hence the word bot.

They are known by communities to be scripted hacks that normally head shot enemies with autoaim (no user control) just trigger, but the true definition is above

it's not your typical classic beneficial aimbot but it's an aimbot never the less

So at what point do you want the crosshairs to stop? You don't want them moving because there is something in your way? So should it go through trees? A mountain? It's moving cause its obstructed. If you're saying you just want a dot in the middle of the screen so you know where you're looking just say that. Those are two completely different things.

i want my crosshairs to only be moved when i move them why don't anyone understand this am i too detailed or are you all trolls

i don't see how an option to turn it off is a problem, just make both parties happy. THose that want aiming assist simply turn it on, and those that don't like me, will simply turn it off. But don't ignore this issue

Falcon, even though an option to turn it off wouldn't be bad, your attitude towards the people who disagree its pretty rude.

"i dont care what you say i am right" its not something you should use when posting a ticket

lulebe added a subscriber: lulebe.May 7 2016, 3:42 PM

I think ArmA is mainly ment to be played in 1st person, so I think this is a relatively small issue. And even in 3rd person, you would normally use your sights to aim. The thing you're talking about probably is the indication than there is an object in your shooting line, so maybe a wall that reaches to the tip of your barrel.

@ DrDeath, Despite if any one likes it or not, The truth is i don't care what people say and I am right. it's also true im frustrated with undereducated people trying to disagree. without having the facts. i've tested this thing for countless hours, and came to the conclusion long ago. this whole ticket is right. The Aim Feature they added results in a handycap and is uber pathetic and ruins fair play and takes away player control. People play a game to play it not so the game can aim for them.

so..... you need facts to disagree? didn't knew that.

and your whole argument of "The truth is i don't care what people say and I am right" its pretty hipocrital. after all, your whole ticket its just opinion, YOU find this crosshair type annoying, everyone who voted you down didn't, if i have to talk by myself, i dislike the new crosshair type too, but i just took the crosshair in general off from the game and i have no problems with it

he goes so more usless noob trash trying to argue with a god

im sick of trolls like you that dont know wat ur talking about. so stay of the ticket u had your 2 seconds of fam

I have never heard such an arrogent person...we get what you're trying to say you want fixed crosshairs that aren't refracted off objects. You're attitude is just plain and pathetic. Like a child. That's why no one cares what you have to say.

people hate that i am right about this issue and try t make excuses and fail arguments to combat my pure intelligent mind blowing intellect that proves a player should be in control of his crosshairs so yea im pretty upset about this shit. the point is im sick and tired of people denying the truth. read the full ticket if your still in denial. then simply keep your uneducated asses of my ticket

Lmao you're a fucking but case

@jakeryan760 I may be arrogant but at least im not a full fledged retard with a "0" IQ

im liking all this traction, if this wat it takes for them to remove the lame aim bot feature that if anything belongs in noob mode single player only. then i dont CARE so be it.

......falcon, are you ok? calling everybody a bot/troll/insult them, and having several grammar errors make you look like a troll

This is the reason why this ticket is useless:

just give up on this ticket and do a new one without all the words that pissed people off because it insinuated that they were assisted while they weren't

If you want to achieve anything just word it properly in a factual, non-condescending way, else you'll only achieve getting ignored.

Plus, falconx1, consider yourself warned. I can't even guarantee that you're not banned for your attitude towards everyone, insulting and calling names.

Thank you.