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Purple sunset/sunrise atmosphere
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Description

I love the new sky rendering update. However, I noticed an issue common to many games - the sky looks purple during sunrise and sunset. This is not physically accurate but can easily be fixed.

The Github user "FarukEroglu2048" has provided an excellent explanation on the issue on the Microsoft Flight Sim forums, as well as a public repository with the implementation details of the fix. This tweak has already been implemented by the developers of the popular flight sim "X-Plane 12", and the developers of Microsoft Flight Sim have confirmed that are looking into adding it as well (UPDATE: This has been implemented into MSFS as of Dec 5 2023)

This is a relatively simple fix that makes an incredible difference to the game. Please consider looking into this.

Details

Severity
Feature
Resolution
Open
Reproducibility
Always
Operating System
Windows 11 x64
Category
Engine
Steps To Reproduce
  1. Set the time to sunset or sunrise.
  2. Look at the sky.
  3. Notice the purple tint.

Event Timeline

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Geez changed the task status from New to Assigned.Nov 13 2023, 10:48 AM
Nolhek added a subscriber: Nolhek.Nov 13 2023, 10:02 PM

Very interesting report and link to solution. I noticed it these days and was wondering because I have never seen such purple skies around where I live, so was wondering if that was accurate. Good to know it has been assigned already.

I completely agree with this. Purple sky looks super cartoony and should be fixed. The old sunrises and sunsets looked epic color-palette wise.. there was a pinkish hue before which was totally fine and realistic ( depends on the moisture in air). Purple makes no sense. Also, the Milky Way, it should be white ( hence the name ), both purple sunsets and pink/purple Milky way are camera's interpretation of those colours ( long exposure shots ). It's not what the human eyes see. And as I've reported previously, the same goes for turquoise sky during 0% overcast weather... which looks silly combined with too much fog on Cherno.. I have to say, It looks broken compared to what it was. Also , please return the sun in front of the clouds when it's up to 60% overcast or whatever it was before ( or however you did that )... Having gray sky with sun barely peeking through ( you could see the actual sun, but dimmer) looked fantastic in your first patch of 1.23 , then some guy reported it as an issue and you guys removed it..

Nolhek added a comment.EditedFeb 4 2024, 10:34 AM

Here I upload a screenshot showing how bad the purple tint is from a few minutes ago, at sunset. Vanilla, not mods.

I'm going with number 4, Tanoa confirmed

In a nutshell, it makes no sense to have a purple sky in current vanilla Cherno. Especially with the type of climate and the setting. It looks out of place. Hence why the new skybox looks better on winter cherno than the vanilla one.

Osdaeus added a subscriber: Osdaeus.Feb 7 2024, 7:48 PM

I LOVE the look of the pink and purple sky. You guys are complaining about a stunning visual update which I know majority of players absolutely appreciate.

@Osdaeus The suggested tweak makes the atmosphere color objectively more realistic with measurements to back it up. Unless you want DayZ to take place in Planet Barbie, I think we should opt for the more realistic look.

The original thread on the MSFS forums comparing the before and after the tweak was unfortunately taken down. Still, I found some comparison images:

Above: Reference photo
Below: In-game old atmosphere

Above: Reference photo (same one)
Below: In-game updated atmosphere

In-game old atmosphere:

In-game updated atmosphere:

GreaseBoy updated the task description. (Show Details)Feb 7 2024, 8:53 PM
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@Osdaeus everyone I know that plays DayZ finds the purple sky super weird. Also, DayZ being the game that always pushed the gritty realistic environment which resulted in unparalleled immersion, kind of makes it weird to see such change in the opposite direction. And purple sky isn't the only problem. It's also the super clear sky during the day with loads of fog on the map. It looks broken. Yes, clouds are nice, but everything else is questionable. The only place the purple sky fits is Namalsk. Because of the sun angle and moisture/snow. And that's still a bit too purple. Also, the OG post explains in great detail what's wrong with it, backed up by specific data and ways to fix it.... so there's no point arguing about it...

You’re stating opinion not facts, and comparing other games with dayz saying they should take the same approach. Purple sky is unrealistic? You’re one google image search away from seeing plenty of HD real images of purple skies. Also while you talk about realism you should keep in mind you’re playing a post-apocalyptic zombie survival game. In my opinion if you guys have nothing more to complain about than the colour of the sky for 10 minutes, then it seems like they’re doing fine. You shouldn’t want the devs wasting time and energy revisiting updates that aren’t an issue and instead allow them to work on things that actually matter like new content, stability, and bug fixes. Again, just my opinion.

GreaseBoy added a comment.EditedFeb 10 2024, 6:02 AM

If you read the post I linked in the issue description, the author's solution has considerably higher color accuracy when compared with real-world measurements. The reason why currently the sky looks so purple is not by design - it's a poor numerical approximation. The new parameters were algorithmically chosen to minimize the error against the measurements.

Also, to clarify, this tweak does not mean that there won't be any hint of purple in the sky anymore. If the atmospheric conditions are right, the sky can still be tinted purple. The problem is that the current implementation makes *every* sunset purple, which is not at all what happens in real life.

Regarding wasting the developer's time, I flagged this issue as normal priority. I agree that this is not a game-breaking bug. The intention behind this post was to inform the developers of the issue and to provide useful resources so they can eventually fix it. It's feedback, that's what this website is for.

In terms of development effort, it is hard to say how much effort this would require. If the devs didn't deviate too much from most of the implementations online, applying the tweak shouldn't take much time as it would only require changing 6 parameters.

"talk about realism you should keep in mind you’re playing a post-apocalyptic zombie survival game." is the dumbest and laziest argument people tend to pull when talking about things like this.

It being a game with "zombies" ( which are in fact, just infected people high on adrenaline in this game ) has little to do with the physics of the world ( logic on how the world works ), which is mind you, grounded in reality when it comes to dayz. As If you need to abandon all logic and common sense because there's a single thing that's deviating from realism. That has been their "cornerstone" ever since the mod launched. Also, We're not stating "opinions". These are literally facts with empirical data backing it up as it's shown in the OP...

Seems like you’re a bit triggered. If you can’t handle debate then you shouldn’t engage in controversy. Again, your data comes from an entirely different game when you say it’s an error that it’s purple. You don’t think the devs can see the colour when they made this change? It’s a beautiful view. While I can agree not every sunset would realistically be the same colour, that’s the way it works whether it’s purple or orange it will always be the same at sunset if the weather is clear. It’s a skybox not a live video that changes everyday. You’ve never seen a purple sky?

Nolhek added a comment.EditedFeb 10 2024, 8:12 PM

@Osdaeus OP shared empiric data, real life examples, and even a link to the solution to fix the overwhelming purple sky at dawn/sunset, and all you have to argument is:

"I LOVE the look of the pink and purple sky..."

Well, in case nothing matters anymore, why not make the entire sky i.e. red or yellow? I don't know, my argument is that those are my favorite colors, seriously! hahaha

Oh! and about what you write:

"You guys are complaining about a stunning visual update, which I know the majority of players absolutely appreciate."

I think you misunderstood, because the ticket is all just about a detail of the sky color at certain times, not the update as a whole. OP even starts as "I love the new sky rendering update. However, I noticed an issue common to many games..."

This is known as constructive feedback, not you arriving here with nothing at all for just to claim how wrong OP is because you love the color purple.

BTW I also love the update, probably the biggest change in immersion since volumetric clouds were removed. I have been active in the official forums asking for years some of the stuff in it as are the rework of the sky, clouds, night cupola... some feedback about the color at certain times doesn't invalidate the last.

😂 nothing I said has anything to do with me liking or disliking the colour purple, and much more to do with it being an intended feature which I have no interest in seeing changed and am therefore speaking my opinion the same as the OP has. Again, the data you’re speaking of is from other games with the assumption that they made the same mistake to dayz.

Without access to the source code we will never know. However, this has the tell-tale signs of being the exact same issue, which is the predominant purple/pinkish tint during sunsets and sunrises. It's no surprise many games also have this problem since most implementations are referencing the same few papers which make this approximation. We'll just have to wait for confirmation from the developers.

I like the purple sky. Plus you don't know whole story. Maybe the sun went rouge and burned half of the ozone layer, maybe it is one of the reasons told by Nate (pollution/volcanic ash). Anyway, it's not something that can't be changed on custom servers. Yes, not like IRL, but if it was IRL there are reasons for that, so not fictional, or "cartoony". I think it's nice.

vanilla, not modded

That screenshot looks fine to me, Livonia, I suppose. If it was like that I think it would be good, unfortunately - at least in Chernarus sky - it gets a lot more purple. For reference look at the screenshot I posted in a comment above on February 4th. Also vanilla, not a mod on it.

BTW apart from the purple tint or not, I believe clouds and the sky overall looks much better in Livonia than in Chernarus.