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MBT-52 Kuma weird Armor System on Tracks / Track Damage Behaviour
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Description

Its possible the destory the MBT-52 Kuma by just hitting the Tracks or other no-vital parts (such as edges of the additional armor on the sides) with a single shot.
Here is a video displaying the Issue: https://youtu.be/R5rY9gqPtj0

As the front of the Kumas Tracks are quite exposed, this is a serious problem in a 1vs1 front Armor vs front Armor battle with another MBT, or in a frontal hit by a "weaker" PCML missle.

The Kuma / MBT Revolution is know for its superior front-side Armor, and is getting destoryed from a front hit on the Tracks.

Im not asking to make the MTB-52 superior to the other Tanks, im just suggesting that killing the Crew and detonating the Tank for hitting the Tracks is rather unrealstic.

Details

Legacy ID
3038145516
Severity
None
Resolution
Open
Reproducibility
Always
Category
Game Physics
Steps To Reproduce
  1. Shoot the Front of the Tracks (MTB-52 Kuma) (upper half) with a 120mm ASPDSDF-T round.
  2. The Tank will probably explode
Additional Information

I assume that the hitbox of the vitals are overlapping with the Tracks, thus leading to the shown results.

Also the material strength of the Tracks is to low, a single 120mm AP round can penetrate over 18 of the tracks gears in a row without losing (almost) no energy at all.
Information updated, can be reproduced 29 out of 30 Times.

This video should proivde the steps to reproduce the problem at hand:
http://youtu.be/2Vv-WDtRhcw [^]

If you request further details be more specific: A list with the components that were damaged? or precise distance?

Thanks for taking your Time with my Issue / explaing why I meight be wrong, and for making Arma 3 an unforgettable -awesome- mil sim expierence (3300h and still not enough).

Event Timeline

Yoshi_E edited Steps To Reproduce. (Show Details)Aug 21 2015, 6:43 PM
Yoshi_E edited Additional Information. (Show Details)
Yoshi_E set Category to Game Physics.
Yoshi_E set Reproducibility to Always.
Yoshi_E set Severity to None.
Yoshi_E set Resolution to Open.
Yoshi_E set Legacy ID to 3038145516.May 8 2016, 12:33 PM
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and Yes, I understand Arma 3 3 is not a Vehicle simulator, but MBTs are a core element of Capture the Island - BECTI - Zerty Editon, and thus quite important, as the Tanks surviability decides the winner. We are having MBT standoffs everyday, on 4km, on 150m, against static Titan AT or RPGs out of a Window.

We are already using a scripted version of Raphaels Trophy System, as it can be found on the Slammer / merkerva Tank to protect the Tracks against missle hits.
The issues still exists with the 120mm ASPDSDF-T rounds, or AP rounds in general.

Adam added a comment.Aug 24 2015, 11:08 AM

Was not able to reproduce the issue i had to put 3-4 rounds into kumas tracks to destroy it. Could you please provide more info? Thanks!

This video should proivde the steps to reproduce the problem at hand:
http://youtu.be/2Vv-WDtRhcw

If you request further details be more specific: A list with the components that were damaged? or precise distance?

Why dint you use the Virtual Garage? There is a Kuma model where you can see what gets hit.

The Virtual Garage Vehicles are fakes, their hitboxes are not matching the actual model.
The Virtual Garage also does not show the destruction of the vehicle. Parts meight show red, but the vehicle would surive....
Also some hitboxes on the Commander Turret of the Kuma and the Tracks of the Kuma are missing (against lower calibers such as 12.7mm APS, Commander turret can not be damaged at all)...

Thus the Vehicles in the Virtual Arsenal are useless.

#EDIT#
Virtual Arsenal is showing the same effect, hull and tracks are being destroyed, even though the round only goes through the tracks

Lex added a subscriber: Lex.May 8 2016, 12:33 PM
Lex added a comment.Sep 7 2015, 4:29 AM

Hi Yoshi_E. Bullets today expensive. From the point of view of economy it isn't favorable to spend one bullet for one tank. I offer new, effective firing.)))
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YPfXa8d7HNY&feature=youtu.be
Sometimes and all four. More in a row I didn't try to put.
I know, at you it will turn out five))).
This test thanks to your ticket.
The truth my video is more about permeability of a shot.
http://feedback.arma3.com/view.php?id=25184

Lex removed a subscriber: Lex.Mar 17 2017, 1:39 PM
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