haters gonna to hate.

HANG GLIDER FOR MILITARY APPLICATION *concept*

http://personal.mecheng.adelaide.edu.au/maziar.arjomandi/Aircraft%20Design%20Projects/2010/HANG%20GLIDER%20FOR%20MILITARY%20APPLICATION.pdf

No one here is simply "hating", we're simply making an argument of why we are downvoting this feature. You call this feature realistic but you have yet to contribute with anything that shows the realism of this feature.

AD2001 - You say the military doesn't use this idea currently today?

As you may be correct or not, since I do not hold the information and current status of the governments plans for military applications of deployment, I cannot give you facts or downvote this post.

Currently this is a great idea, and I know that Tom Clancy has had ideas of this sort of thing and I although I cannot confirm, I can tell you that the government could be possibly working on this idea already using a complicated reverse mirror image process for beneath the wingsuit/hangglider to view whats above the unit and present it as an image beneath the unit giving off a "invisible" look and feel. I know the tech is already out there so using this idea is 100% viable.

You have my upvote, as I hope you get the rest of the communities, this idea is strong and will definitely go places.

SEMPERFI

iSoldier

IN YOUR FACE =)

HANGGLIDER STRAFING GETSOME!

Also on par with current conversation. This is a photo I took in Iraq Mar '06. http://i.imgur.com/5tpV4RH.jpg clearly shows a glider/ultralight. I turned this photo and GPS marker in to my unit's S2 (intel guys.) They investigated and found out he was flying above convoys dropping grenades and homemade bombs. So, from a guerrilla warfare point of view hang gliders and/or ultralights are possible threat. Cheap, quiet, lightweight form of aerial combat and or surveillance.

Ridiculous. I doubt there's anywhere on Altis it would be strategically sound to use a hangglider unless you want to play 007. Downvoted. If you want it, mod it in later.

You're requesting hang gliders and zip lines... play Far Cry 3. It's obviously something you enjoy.

strong leaders follow the crowd guys =P

wingsuits, to parachute, to 2 min rebreather self-propelled device

yall need to go play minecraft

how sad u gonna be if its already in eh? wewt

@ sneakson (Towers like in arma 2)

towers, cliff, building, houses on cliffs, or hills, airplanes, helos, mountains,
higher elevations,..

  dude jetpacks, yall aren't very opened mind or creative

if uve played arma 3 u know how subject to AA and exc (also can hear u from 1-2km's.

"Arma is a realistic military simulation, can you show a real life situation in which a hand glider has ever been used in an actual military operation?"

Not really, how is ArmA 3 a milsim being in the future with fictional or prototype vehicles/weapons that will probably never be common in any army?

ArmA is now a tactical shooter.

Secondly... why can this not be added as a civilian item? we have had camel bi planes in Armed Assault, we have civilian cars... why not I say.

Arma 3 Should have Hang Gliders, That would make the game Much better, For Civilian Use.

/Vote UP

On The Second NO military would not use them BUT Civilians WOULD ! Their is Civilian Helicopter Why not Hang gliders, it would be be Quit way to get around . i Support this 100%

How about we have them in game simply for the sake of immersion. I don't want to get stuck on a game island that feels sterile. Are we to have nothing to make the game world feel lived in. To feel like war and the military are all that exist. Come on guys in any game it is the little details that sell the illusion. Besides the devs already have the flight physics in place a glider model cant be that hard or resource demanding to make. So its just some animations and a little coding. Besides if bohemia were smart they would see the potential in making their game engine capable of allowing for many different game types to modders. Dayz is not a mill sim but has had a lot of success. It cant be the only non milsim game type that works well in this engine and every now and then its nice to take a break from playing soldier.

I don't think its bohemia's place to be adding hang gliders, it is a bit far from the focus of the game, unless they really start expanding the civilian playability and units. That said, it should be in the game - how else are you gonna script your Mission:Impossible, or 007 ??

That also said, the community is already on it:
http://www.armaholic.com/list.php?c=arma3_files_addons_vehicles_planes

Cessna AND Hang-Glider. Bam

is anyone playing this game? do u see these hills? u know how crucial silent flight will be to the core of the game? wow... even if 500 meter intervals...

reusable parachutes??!?! someone make separate posts and get this stuff read so these trolls cant down my votes

You're a idiot.... but a good idea. 10 Points to Gryffindor!

Ok, WHY and WHERE?!
On Stratis there’s nowhere you could hang glide more than a hundred meters. Why not just walk? Hang gliders can’t go very far, are easily spotted and in order to even use it you must first get it up the hill you want to glide down from! Walking would be quicker! Why would civilians have hang gliders? Don’t people in Greece have cars? Do they enjoy carrying gliders up on slight hills then gliding for about a hundred meters then packing up their hang gliders and walking up the next hill?
They’re not practical at all. Military wouldn’t use them and I don’t know why Civilians would have them. They’re no higher priority than jumping sticks or any other ridiculous means there are to get around an island.

WHY would soldiers use them? WHY would civilians have them? WHERE would you use it?

Hang gliders can only be used from a few select locations to get to places a few hundred meters away at best... unless you are doing a nighttime special ops onto a stationary enemy post in a valley it's not going to be of any use so it's even more gimmick than diving ops. Diving on the other hand lets you go anywhere around the entire island and between islands!

Ok..... hang gliders cant be added, they cant be added to "balance" because i haven't seen iranian SPECOPS deploying inserctions in hang gliders, and even then, it would be a pretty funy sight.

if you cant give us proof that it has been used by some military force around the world nowdays, then its not realistic, therefore, its not gonna make it.

If you want to play a hang glider simulation, go ahead. However, I can't see how your request is relevant to ArmA 3, which focuses on combat.

First of all dr_death and p00d73, you guys need to read the damn comments before so you realize there has already been posts about it being used in actual military combat and specops. Pics for verification and even a damn description for you. Read before posting stupid ass comments that make no sense since the topic has already been verified. I suspect your not 12 year olds, lets not act like it mmk?

iSoldier - out

Here's how hang gliders would look in Arma 3 (in a night mission): http://i.imgur.com/OiTbL2k.png

From a technical point of view and provided it would be the best solution to a need even IF it was only a one-off event it would be plausible for military to buy hang gliders and quickly train some guys to use them.

As for military hang gliders, it is in a way rather old hat going back to the days of pre WW1, when they would be tethered behind moving ships acting as a hybrid between a kite and a hang glider, which gave the advantage of being able to see much much further, they were also used for artillery spotting on land with some going up to 2000ft (610m) and more, natural later advances gave rise to the man being directly under the wings allowing weight-shift.

http://25.media.tumblr.com/4928e4bf9cb67ee7ee1cb2e1a73095f3/tumblr_mmegnj9gnF1rwpzb0o1_500.jpg

http://www.drachen.org/sites/default/files/010/200804P00607.JPG

http://www.historicfarnborough.co.uk/gallery/codykitelarge.jpg

http://www.drachen.org/sites/default/files/010/200804P00714.JPG

vs.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wRDLeNOph54

iSoldier: I read them and saw the pic. That's still not a military application but a one off application by irregular militants.

Do we really want the devs to put huge effort in developing flight models for these hang gliders while they are not regularly used by any military today? As for the "civilian" argument, I'm sure modders will cater to your needs. There was a hang glider mod for ArmA II. Or you can use a specific hang glider simulator where it appears as is.

There's a hang glider mod already and it kinda sucks... I don't want anything like it in Arma 3.

he gave u an military application tho so...

snakes opening doors, choppers look like transformers we got rabbits and snakes and nothing else? sad to see where this game is going lawl

What choppers look like transformers?

AD, zumzum thinks chopper looks like transformers because he does not understand what does a "stealth aircraft" means.

And yes, i still dislike the look of most of the aircrafts and their placeholders names, but no, they dont look like transformers, except the AH-66, wich its unrealistic, because the comanche was refused in the 99 or around that year

wanna go hangliding at Lemnos/Altis
http://gogreeceyourway.gr/things-to-do/

currently got hangliding lawl

keep using "Lawl"

makes you look mature

"wanna go hangliding at Lemnos/Altis
http://gogreeceyourway.gr/things-to-do/"

Seriously, are you here to play a military game or a tourism simulator?

Yeah, let's add kayaking, waterskiing and windsurfing... archery, bowling, golf, slapfights...

tourism doh.

"Yeah, let's add kayaking, waterskiing and windsurfing... archery, bowling, golf, slapfights..."

hahaha

To be serious, skiing can be an option for snowy maps

Classic open-world game "Midwinter" does have lotsa skiing.

And hey some sporting during longer operations wouldn't be bad at all actually! I can especially see golf working in Arma. And water scooters that are going to be in Battlefield 4. Don't know if the military actually use them but I think they seem seriously useful and good fun too.

Anyways...

not golf, not hang gliders, maybe skiing for military operations (or insurgency using them) and yes, i have HEARD of black ops or spec ops using water scooters to reach places undetected in the night

Who would use these? Special ops would not use as it is better to do a parachute drop and move on ground if wanted to be stealth. Recon snipers would not as they would be spotted right away.

Flying at night would be very risky, landing on wanted spot is even more trickier on wind than can be believed.

If in future we can have technology to make those immune to winds, allow flier to maneuver them quickly to avoid enemy bullets and so on, military would still not use them as you can not even get three person to fly them in such manner to location where they all need to land.

Sorry but this vehicle request sounds more like it would belong to Call of Duty.

No one here seems to have realised a decent hang glider mod has been made and is available for download now http://forums.bistudio.com/showthread.php?156287-FLAY-Hang-Glider-Mod

Devs can u Read this? u already have everything needed to properly implement this quickly and easily it will be enjoyable (hours of playtime) and my votes are getting sniped make ur own choice =)

P.S. some guy keeps making accounts to down my votes

make them a see through plastic for more stealth =)

Are you a good troll? or you are 11 years old?

@Dr_Death

I believe it's the second one.

@zumzum

The ticket has almost two times more downvotes than upvotes. Even if someone did create several accounts it wouldn't really matter.

Bringing gliders into ARMA would have to involve creating the simulation of fluctuating air pressure and thermals.
And understanding where to fly in the sky, and over certain terrain just to stay in the air without losing altitude.

This would also make flying powered aircraft more realistic too.

If they can simulate this it would be great!!!
Up voted :-)

feralcircus, phisically its impossible to stay in the air without losing either altitude or speed, and yes, that would make aircraft physics SLIGHTLY more realistic (the main problem are the aircraft itselfs, not the wind dynamics)

still, the ticket its not about realistic air simulation, its about hang gliders, wich can be used without simulating the air, and no one agrees at the hang gliders

like I said knowing where to fly and which parts of the terrain generate thermal columns...
By circling over thermal columns (and other sources of uplift) until you gain enough altitude to move to the next you can stay in the air pretty much as long as you like if you know where to fly :-)

but flying in circular patterns cost you speed

Flying in a circular pattern over a thermal makes you spiral upwards gaining altitude.
Once you've gained enough altitude you glide (while losing altitude) to the next thermal and spiral upwards again.
Repeat this process to stay airborne for as long as you like.

You learn to identify what type of landscape will generate lift so you can plan your route ahead.

The hang glider thing is irrelevant to arma3. The hang glider is used mostly by civilians and barely implemented by the military, so it makes no point to put one in aram3 since it's a military simulation game. And Whats the point of putting one in when there is already parachute in the beta already. And in case you didn't know there was one, go to the editor and place a chopper, get into it and go to the inventory and you will see one. You request is not strongly supported. Accept the fact and stop trying to justify yourself. It only makes you look more of an ass than the trollers themselves. And your comment of telling the developers to implement this because you "think you know what is best" irrespective of the number of down votes you have is very very selfish and self centered. The reason why they let us have access to the beta content is the implement what the majority of the community wants agrees on and introduce it into the game.

If the community dosent like you idea and you feel hated by it, i have one thing to say to you...... http://wac.450f.edgecastcdn.net/80450F/thefw.com/files/2013/05/Nicholson.gif

There's no need to insult someone just because they think more deeply than you.

That has been the beauty of ARMA since the beginning, (OFP) being able to create literally ANY scenario imaginable using the MASSIVE array of objects, remember the bicycles? :-)

A war situation has to evolve from something otherwise it just ends up being another stale, instant & simple shoot em up mission :-s

@FeralCircus

Bicycles have been used by many military organizations in the last century, and are still used by some.
Also, I refuse to believe that insurgents and spec ops never use them any more.

Yes I'm fully aware of that but thanks anyway :-)...

Tell the people who are against anything that doesn't involve blowing everything up immediately :-s

1Kimon0

The Swiss have army have bicycles.
They can be mounted with MG, AT, a 60mm mortar AND a drinks bottle!
MO-93
http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3013/2642778614_a66618d211.jpg

@b101uk

http://i.imgur.com/1j4PyXJ.jpg

SERIOUSLY? HAHAHA XD SWISS BIKES WITH MORTARS?

who the fuck thought of that should be a fucking mad genious

There is nothing weird on mortars and MG in bicycles, as they are not mounted but just attached at them for transportation and you deattach them for use. It is very normal and difference is that mortar teams and squads can move by bicycles instead needing a motorized vehicles.

still, its funny, i cant imagine to take that uphill with a loaded mortar

About gliders: let something to modders to do!
I think there are so many more important things BIS should work on!

This game is supported by a huge modder community. They can do this glider stuff if they have motivation to do so. Maybe you could do it...:)

PS: Gliders would only work well with no or minimal equipment. You would not be able to fly a glider equipped with 50kg military stuff. So what is the point in getting behind enemy lines with a single pistol and a few bullets?
This is why military uses parachutes. And that is already implemented.

@Dr Death: Bicycles have been used by the military for quite a while, and they are still popular in asymmetrical warfare. (ArmA 3 will be asymmetrical warfare...)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bicycle_infantry

He is most likely trolling you all because if anyone is that stupid they should not be allowed to use the internet.

Well first of all, the tag for this suggestion is 'troll'

That being said, Beta request aside, I foresee a Batman mod in the near future.

Jezex:

Not the soldier the country wanted...... not the soldier the country diserved..... but the soldier, that this country needed.

Hey zumzum,

i voted it up, because i think, its important, that the Civilian-Live is simulated in ArmA to. It is a complete new level of Gameplay and Immersion, if you make covert Ops in a lively Area. Also you can Simulate the Sparetime of a Soldier, when he comes home and change his Uniform into T-Shirt and Jeans.

And i voted it up because iam Glider-Pilot, but that wasnt the important fact for the vote

Greetings

Korbi

what's the point of saying your name at the end?

@Dr_Death

I really don't know.

@everyone

http://i.imgur.com/LwjgASB.jpg

actually, i agree, we should keep trying, after all, the autor got banned/closed his account

Bump....

Why did you bump this? It was already in the top 10.

Isn't all about the fact it's in the top 10. How long it remains there is a factor to possibly consider as well.

Get something like 100+ downvotes, someone will HAVE to acknowledge it.

I really like this idea, I think they do not really care about the civilian life in the game, and they should do it a lot better than what they did in Arma 2.

Upvote!

Here you go,hang glider.
http://www.armaholic.com/page.php?id=21036

Well, looks like we're done here then.