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This is a humble, yet strong request, not a bug report.

We were promised a lot of things over the years, most of which have never materialized, all of which are still up and visible for the community to read, watch, and still see for themselves. Let's start with Base Building:

I'd like you guys to take a peek at what both your competitors Scum, and Rust have given their players/supporters/buyers, with similarly sized dev teams.

It's utterly ridiculous, IMO, that this many years later after we first seen the first implementation of "base building", that we haven't had anything added to our pathetically paltry "fence and watchtower" two pieces of base building, yet have had Hesco Barriers, improvised camo net Shelters, and "world storage containers" removed...to end up with LESS than we've had at one point, while again, Scum and Rust have given their players Modular Base Building each.

Same goes with vehicles. Both Rust and Scum have wheeled, flying, and aquatic vehicles THAT CAN BE UPGRADED with ARMOR (remember when you guys told us we'd have that as well? Pepperidge Farm remembers)
What happened to our Minivan? Where's the Multicar? Where's the Command V3S and Stake bodied V3S that we could carry a bunch of fresh spawns around in? Where's a quad, or tractor with rear facing seat, let alone the Little Bird and Bumblebee and boats and bikes guys.

End game content, we don't have any, nothing, oh Livonia has a tiny bit, but not Chernarus Plus, the original map everyone has....a solution..... sticking to a previous promise and finally adding Utes Island Military Compound to Chernarus Plus like you said you DID, and adding the bunker to that "new" landmass.

You could kill two(or three) proverbial birds (remember those?) with one stone, finally give us either or both our promised Little Bird helicopter, and or, the Bumblebee plane, add it's/their carcass to the island, add it's/their needed parts to the mainland of Chernarus (you know, make a mission out of it like it used to be in DayZ Mod), and have us have to scour the mainland for it's parts, make the journey all the way back down south to Skalisty Island without dying, then "somehow" (a boat would be nice, wouldn't it?) make our way all the way out to the South edge of the map where Utes Island is supposed to be to HOPEFULLY find the one or two potentially functional helicopters or planes on the entire server.....end game content.

Weapons, we literally don't need anything "new", well except everything "new" shown to us on the Official Trello Board, and again, promised to us on the Official DayZ Website "everything shown on our official Trello Board WILL be in STABLE DayZ" (little past 1.0 now).

So what's that? The PKM, the M249(we have no LMG class yet, we still don't have a precision military sniper either, don't say the Mosin, that thing is from the 1800s lol), both under barrel grenade launchers, the RPG-7, LAW, Red9, RAK, the Taser, Cattle Prod, Groza (nice 9x39 with barrel change addition to 7.62 don't you think?), the Pistol Gripped Pump, the Dart Gun, Bows, you could bring back the infamous M24, DMR, M14.... think of the excitement people would have seeing those classic weapons? Trust me, we want them.

Again, if you look at your competitors, Scum and Rust, they're giving their players CONTENT every single patch, things to play with, things to do, things to use..... DayZ does it better than them, but it's SEVERELY lacking in some serious areas.... again, these competitors have similar sized teams, yet they're delivering content, it seems we can't even get what we used to have that was stripped from us and sworn to return.

I hope someone of authority reads this and understands just a tiny bit of what I'm trying to say. I've been playing "DayZ" since the beginning, DayZ Mod, DayZ Origins Mod, DayZ Epoch Mod, DayZ Overwatch, DayZ Overpoch, all the little ones that tried, A3 Exile Mod, A3 Epoch Mod, A3 Survival (A3S), and DayZ SA.... thousands of hours in EACH, yet I own the competitions and have since day one, because it seems you take one step forward, and three back....yet I always hope you remember your promises, at least to your community.

A base building update on par with Scum or Rust (obviously in a DayZ/Scum aesthetic) would be the least, Utes Island finally coming to Chernarus would be awesome....I should've come with links to the DevBlogs where these promises were made, but they're still up if necessary 😤🤣

Keep up the, work, guys and gals.

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Windows 10 x64
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End Game - Requests
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Look at Scum or Rust, be sad for your community for their lack of content.

Additional Information

Still think DayZ SA is superior to those two mentioned, but lacking, so please.

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Johnny_G created this task.Jul 13 2023, 1:10 PM

I think its important to keep balance in mind for some things too though. For example you mentioned the utes island. In my opinion that would be a bad addition for Chernarus. It puts a lot more emphasis on the coast, it pushes more geared players to the coast and pushes the "end game" in the total wrong direction, right back to freshie towns. This is already a problem in vanilla with too many people hanging around the coast, especially with rify shipwreck being toxic now it already has become worse in that regard.

Also things like the M249 and PKM...do we really want that? I mean...the PKM shoots 7.62x54mmR...that's mosin ammo, at 600 rpm in full auto with a huge magazine capacity...I doubt that would be a good thing to add.

It's also important to keep in mind that the current DayZ Engine just has limits, the server performance also has limits. They spent so long trying to get the cars to be stable and they are still pretty bad even on the lower pop 60 slot official servers. Imagine how a helicopter would fit into that?

I understand your points and frustration, but there is a lot more backend limitations and / or thinking behind these things. It's not as simple as just "add the plane" ya know?

However I do agree that the content over the last 8 months has been poor. In general there hasn't been anything "game changing" in a long time now.

I also do think they have some cool stuff lined up for the future though.

Geez changed the task status from New to Feedback.Jul 14 2023, 10:39 AM
Johnny_G added a comment.EditedJul 14 2023, 12:28 PM

I think its important to keep balance in mind for some things too though. For example you mentioned the utes island. In my opinion that would be a bad addition for Chernarus. It puts a lot more emphasis on the coast, it pushes more geared players to the coast and pushes the "end game" in the total wrong direction, right back to freshie towns. This is already a problem in vanilla with too many people hanging around the coast, especially with rify shipwreck being toxic now it already has become worse in that regard.

Also things like the M249 and PKM...do we really want that? I mean...the PKM shoots 7.62x54mmR...that's mosin ammo, at 600 rpm in full auto with a huge magazine capacity...I doubt that would be a good thing to add.

It's also important to keep in mind that the current DayZ Engine just has limits, the server performance also has limits. They spent so long trying to get the cars to be stable and they are still pretty bad even on the lower pop 60 slot official servers. Imagine how a helicopter would fit into that?

I understand your points and frustration, but there is a lot more backend limitations and / or thinking behind these things. It's not as simple as just "add the plane" ya know?

However I do agree that the content over the last 8 months has been poor. In general there hasn't been anything "game changing" in a long time now.

I also do think they have some cool stuff lined up for the future though.

While I can kinda agree with the island bringing more geared players towards the coast, as you already stated, it already occurs due to the static contaminated zones.... and with a "goal" of a helicopter or plane in direct mind for the player or group, they would be one tracked minded.

And to that point on flight....I highly suggest you find a community server running NW's Huey helicopter(his specifically, as it flies as close to A3's basic flight as I've seen to date), it's extremely good, sure, you'll get the occasional hiccup, but literally nothing as bad as a wheeled vehicle on ground surprisingly... I'm sure if flight would be addressed by the actual team, it could be ironed out further, but these are great on full pop, highly modded servers....same goes with boats in general, seems everything works better "off land", don't know why though, but because they do (including bikes), i don't see why we haven't seen them in vanilla yet.

To the LMG's.... rarity firstly, secondly, we've always had them in DayZ Mod, we were indeed shown and promised them....they could forgo the PKM or PKP for an RPK instead, but also the M249....can obviously make accuracy and weight issues... nice to see those bipods make a return and a necessary find again.

The main thing I think that would satisfy a large majority of the player base, again, would be a base building update in line with what Scum has given their players, he'll I'll buy the team a copy so they can see for themselves....a fence and watchtower for the past who knows how many years is utterly pathetic, to be brutally honest..... again, I love DayZ, thousands upon thousands of hours in SA, Mod, and all the derivatives in between....we need something besides 4 paper masks and some blood splatter on our screen nobody wanted.

Oh.... and what happened to our speed loaders, snap loaders, and moon clips anyway? I know I seen the moon clip pop up with the Magnum return, then it suddenly disappeared.... just like the other variants of the M3S the week of the M3S return, and the Minivan was also in there driveable , then suddenly, all the wrecks were removed, they removed the working van from the files (it suddenly drove), and they literally left all the broken glass and oil stains on the ground where they used to sit lazily 🙄😅

yeah I don't think PKM or SAW should be in Vanilla. Just like @ItzMikeDocherty said. I could maybe, just maybe understand the SAW, but PKM is just nasty... I think it's an overkill, no matter the rarity. You already know the clans will hoard it in their bases.. especially since the ammo is very common. Unlike m79. GL. where both ammo and weapon is quite rare..

Helicopters... hmmm I think a mozzie would be a more suitable addition compared to littlebird. The thing I want to see from that Trello board, is the gorgeous looking Semi Auto combat shotgun. And that item honestly makes the most sense. A military grade combat shotgun with rails for attachments.. I agree about the Bipods coming back. That would be great. But that means that they need to implement a new mechanic > "mounting". And somehow... I doubt they'll be able to do it.. maybe I'm wrong.

To be honest, I'd hate for DayZ to have base building like SCUM has. Bases in dayz should be more realistic looking.. and that's their current approach imo. I think the best solution would be if they made a system where you could barricade a house properly, and not improvise with current base walls that are clipping into houses. Like, board up windows, board up/block doors, etc. I'd hate if DayZ had hideous, scum looking bases. I hate them on modded servers as well. they look very goofy and cartoony imo... completely out of place...

I do want speed loaders back, that would make a massive difference for guns like SKS.

speaking of vehicles.. I'm always impressed how well the transit bus works ( expansion mod) on modded servers. Not only can you drive them without major problems, you can also walk in them while they're driving, and shoot from them...

Let's see what will they bring with the NWAF overhaul. I wonder if they will add some new bunkers or something. I just hope it won't be copy paste from livonia. Also my hope is that they don't make it look like an over-modded map. Current Airfield is massive but realistic looking... I'm still not over hideous apartments on livonia.. totally ruined the vibe of the map for me.. including some new awful looking villages. which look like some rando modder wanted to "spice up" things a little... I'll never understand the need to "fix" stuff that ain't broken...

@WeirdXone
I disagree about the LMG'S, I believe they can be added in such a way to make them rare enough on vanilla and or official, weight, sway(without bipods, which is easily enough to add, the modding community has already had them working forever now), wear...there are things that can be done to balance their use.... and even on heavily modded servers, most people don't run LMG'S, at most they run battle rifles like SA58's/FAL's with appropriate 50rd drums.

Speed loaders are realistic, and we used to have them, and it's silly we never got them returned....if it's easily enough to swap in a 60rd or larger drum for the M4, AUG, or AK, what would make a faster loading to an SKS, Mosin, Magnum ECT any worse? It wouldn't....it would make "civilian" weapons more viable if anything, and again, loaders could wear quickly.

And hey, I'm ALL for a Mozzie return, but an unarmed 'Bird for a small group, a Huey, and or the Bumblebee for players to fight for would bring some much needed nostalgia back....quad 😭

I'm also down for barricading of static buildings(seeing how impossible it is to build inside one with what we have without "touching stuff"), a simple floor/roof combo that has snapping that could be attached to a fence (with like, three sizes of fences/gates, doorway, half wall, full wall sized) would've been an easy addition by now, but they've utterly refused.....so IMO, we're kinda owed something akin to what Scum has (again, that looks like DayZ, but clearly you haven't seen what they have after 0.80/0.85 because it's apocalyptic and survival based and glorious and definitely fitting for DayZ the way it is).

I'm going to say, besides console players who physically can't, and PC players who don't know there's anything beyond "official", 75% or better of the community would greatly appreciate an "end game" base building type system like Scum or Rust(not just the building, but the storage, decorations, ECT)....

I know they're hiring, I know that Chinese company, cough, Tencent, bought a significant portion into DayZ (or was it BI, I forget now lol, pretty sure DayZ), if Scum and Rust with the size of their teams can give what they give, I literally don't understand why we get nothing.... and yes.... receiving one weapon every 5 months and a mask is "nothing".....I do appreciate the lighting bug fix they finally got around to doing after themselves introducing with the flare gun, looks much better at night when you and others are using light sources.....but damn....look at some of the competitions recent gameplay and updates....it's pathetic in comparison 😅

@WeirdXone

Oh, and we still can't even boil our rice....
Point being.... have you seen the cooking update Scum has given their players? They can find and loot an assortment of different cookbooks, find and loot an assortment of different plants, fruits, veggies, sugar, flour, salt, pepper, garlic, butter, oils, bacon, everything, animals....plus their horticulture and farming system....but then they have different gas and battery powered ovens and hot plates, and can cook a whole bunch of different dishes.... from teas, coffees, eggs, lasagna, steaks and kabobs, casseroles, literally dozens and dozens of things with all these different ingredients they can find, loot, grow, hunt ECT.....

And we still can't boil our own rice 🙄

See we're getting a couple new purses.... exciting 🙄

What ever happened to you guys returning our leather crafting and leather clothing? It's been years now since you claimed you returned it, yet it was just the backpack without the dyeing or bleaching and none of the other leather craftable clothing and gear.... like what is going on over here?

Scum is getting spray paint.... what ever happened to ours being returned?

Scum is getting an M249 that they can do some crafting and make a turret for their base.....we can't even build a base, let alone have we received our shown and promised M249....hell, we don't even have our bipods back to stabilize a weapon.

4 updates in a year, 2 of which are "bug fixes only" because "vacation".... crazy.