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Return of some Arma functions from previous titles (namely Arma 3) and fixes of current content
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Hello,

Currently I love a lot of things about Reforger, but there are also a lot of gripes, some of which I would imagine the community might very well be voicing right now.

Namely:

  1. The fact that not only is there a "limit" of AI that can be placed down in gamemaster, but also that there are no modules, making it severely limited compared to Arma 3's offering.
  2. The new Zeus UI is in some ways intuitive, but in most not, it was a lot faster to place down and look for items in the old Arma 3 Zeus UI.
  3. We cannot do Player Hosted servers, also known as Listen Servers, which allowed us to host and play on the same machine effectivly, which makes it harder for friends and communities to get together and play.
  4. The AI are a bit all over the place when it comes to functionality, in some cases they work admirably, while others I have seen them five feet from each other and take 5 seconds to take down and opposing soldier.

there are possibly others as I play more, but I can see some solutions:

  1. Remove the limit of AI via a server toggle (if the reason is that it would not run well on consoles) and have the server/mission have a warning that it is "not optimised for consoles", and of course add more modules and funtionality, like for instance setting side relations and such.
  2. Either change the UI to make it resemble Arma 3's Zeus UI, or add it as an option for those who get used and prefer Reforger's new UI.
  3. I cannot imagine any reason this cannot be added, not everyone has access to a separate machine to effectively host and also play on said server, and we should not be forced to rent servers, and pay more money to do what we were able to do for free beforehand.
  4. Look at and fine tune the AI

I might edit this feedback item more as I play and watch more, and see what (if anything) the devs do in regards to these topics.
Now I get this is early access, which is why I am not acting like this is the end of the world and saying that this game is doomed, I want this game to succeed, and some may argue that everything in this post is "just my opinion" or "things are just fine", but I am pretty sure that the game having a mixed rating is not a good start.

EDIT 1: as a correction to Item 1, a removal of the budget off all kinds as an option is what I intended to say as the solution, as stated by JymCzech.
EDIT 2: For both Item 1 and Item 2, some members of the community have a google document here : https://docs.google.com/document/d/1xkjHXCk2OJkrtX5UobHVxjmDJkJUVBm9CVEvEzmw_f0/edit

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Windows 10 x64
Operating System Version
19044.1706
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GeneralKong created this task.May 18 2022, 5:47 AM
GeneralKong renamed this task from Return of some Arma functions from previous titles (namely Arma 3) to Return of some Arma functions from previous titles (namely Arma 3) and fixes of current content.
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Geez changed the task status from New to Reviewed.May 18 2022, 1:01 PM
JustBraxton added a subscriber: JustBraxton.May 18 2022, 9:21 PM

I will agree. I think we need to move closer to arma 3 in some ways. your post doesnt mention them so im not saying these are also YOUR feelings, but i feel it loosely ties to the title of the post. returning to arma 3 in some ways. I dont like the inventory UI, i think it should be closer to Arma 3. where did bipods or resting weapons go, best feature. we dont have the same amount of control available to us (specifically CTRL + WASD, stepping left and right, laying on ur side.). the third person (for infantry and vehicles) camera also makes me nauseous, i also feel like that should be closer to Arma 3. Not sure if EVERYONE feels the same, but in the vets ive spoken to and the content creators i know, they agree. I do agree with everything in the initial post. maybe a merge of 70% arma 3 zeus ui and 30% reforger?

JymCzech added a subscriber: JymCzech.EditedMay 18 2022, 9:50 PM

I agree too. I would even go a step further and add a toggle remove limits on all (objects, scripts, AI and vehicles).
As for controls and camera : Yes, yes and yes. Please, I need at least a bit of the old complexity.
And I don't know if I am the only one, but I personally would like to see the return of a classic mission editor, like Eden. I donqt know if Reforger has it, 'cause I can't find it anywhere. Tried Enfusion workbench, but to no avail.

dave_pilot added a subscriber: dave_pilot.EditedMay 18 2022, 10:55 PM

2 things i am missing the most:

  • ingame mission editor (ESSENTIAL FOR AN ARMA GAME!!!!!!!)
  • give commands to AI
Sogang added a subscriber: Sogang.May 19 2022, 12:50 AM

Want a arma 3 zeus system, If it's because of the console, why don't you add a toggle function to change the ui?

GeneralKong updated the task description. (Show Details)May 19 2022, 1:01 AM
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GeneralKong updated the task description. (Show Details)May 19 2022, 11:02 PM
GlutenFreeVapes added a subscriber: GlutenFreeVapes.May 25 2022, 4:02 AM

ingame mission editor (ESSENTIAL FOR AN ARMA GAME!!!!!!!)

The reforger tools provide this functionality and are easier to use then 3den.

klamacz added a subscriber: klamacz.Jul 10 2022, 1:46 AM

Thank you for feedback

Player hosted server are possible by running dedicated server on the same machine. Hosting from in-game may come in future updates.
AI is being fixed and improved.

It would be good to limit the feedback ticket to singular issue - in your case I suggest GM improvements. It will be easier for responsible designers to process it further.

GeneralKong added a comment.EditedJul 10 2022, 10:42 PM
In T164862#2336920, @klamacz wrote:

Thank you for feedback

Player hosted server are possible by running dedicated server on the same machine. Hosting from in-game may come in future updates.
AI is being fixed and improved.

It would be good to limit the feedback ticket to singular issue - in your case I suggest GM improvements. It will be easier for responsible designers to process it further.

I do have some other feedback items, one of which that consolidates all of my suggestions for GM that I have thought of at this time.

Also, from what I understand, the current system does not allow you to use UPnP for hosting a server, which is something that some people will need to properly allow people to play on our servers, and I am not sure about Reforger since I cannot have people join and test, but in other games hosting a dedicated server and trying to play on it at the same time usually results in severe FPS drops for the host, and thus also the server.

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