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Its been almost 3 years now that i've had these random stutters in DayZ, had different PC setups from Intel CPU's to my current AMD CPU, SSD's and an M.2 Nvme drive, high end system RAM, Freesync monitor, tried every tweak that is on the internet and come to realise that its just the game.

DayZ will be running as smooth as you like but then the stuttering starts, it'll go away eventually or maybe if i got into the settings and change something or tab out to desktop and back again, it kinda fixes it for a short length of time.. but it always comes back.

Just one thing to point out here, and that is the only two things that have been constant in my PC are Windows 7 or 10 and an AMD GPU, and i've tried all those Win 10 stutter fixes, i think i've spent more hours trying to fix this than actually playing it..

The stuttering started all the way back to somewhere between 0.60 and 0.61 when i had an AMD HD7950, it ran decent on that card with my i7 2700K but at some point it all went to s***. Had an i7 6700K at 4.6Ghz after that too, so i upgraded the 7950 to an RX 480, bought an M.2 Nvme SSD, installed DayZ on my Samsung SSD and the Nvme drive but still the same old stuttering appeared.

So i upgrade even more going to an AMD 2700X with the RX 480 in there, still the same. Then last year i upgrade again to an AMD Vega 56, still same outcome.

I'll post my current specs which play any other game without issues, including GTA V on all Very High settings, i play Arma 3 BR without stuttering problems, its just DayZ.

CPU - AMD Ryzen 2700X
COOLER - Corsair H100X AIO
MOBO - MSI Gaming Pro Carbon AC X470
GPU - PowerColor Red Dragon RX Vega 56
RAM - 16GB Dark Pro 8-Pack Edition DDR4 3200Mhz
SSD - Samsung M.2 960 NVMe | Samsung 850 EVO
PSU - EVGA GQ 650
CASE - Corsair 400C
OS - Windows 10 Pro (64 Bit)
MOUSE / MAT - Logitech G502 | Steelseries 4HD
MONITOR - AOC G2778VQ 27" FreeSync
HEADSET - HyperX Cloud Alpha Gaming Pro

I'd say thats a decent setup that should have no issues playing any game on at least Medium settings, but DayZ will stutter whatever the settings i use, even the lowest i can put them at, its just pathetic really.

I'll just post this video i recorded where it shows how smooth it can be.. to a juddery stutter and then it'll suddenly run smooth again.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nJzuNw6yjvE

Pleae devs, try and fix this for me, DayZ is my favourite game and i'm finding it hard to replace this game with something that is anywhere near close.

I was hoping that with the 1.0 release, the optimisations that were promised were gona fix it but it hasnt, i've been patient, waiting for the full release, but i'm just gutted that i get the same old stuttering nearly three years on. Its just unplayable for me.

For anyone that made it this far down, thanks for reading.

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Severity
Major
Resolution
Open
Reproducibility
Random
Operating System
Windows 10 x64
Operating System Version
Professional (1809)
Category
Performance

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MyBraiNs created this task.Feb 21 2019, 8:59 PM
Geez changed the task status from New to Need More Info.Feb 22 2019, 3:19 PM
Geez added a subscriber: Geez.

Hello MyBraiNs and thank you for the report.
If you adjust your mouse polling rate, does that have any efect on the issue you are experiencing?
Regards,
Geez

Hi there, i have tried all polling options which are 125, 250, 500 and 1000. Even tried a different mouse last night. I have uninstalled Logitech software in the past but still have the stuttering.

At my wits end at this point.

Serious question, are the DayZ Devs actually working with the AMD Driver team with this game? I never see anything in the AMD Driver release notes about DayZ, performance improvements etc,. Starting to wonder if this is an Nvidia Gameworks title :-/

Am i not getting any help from here then? Need more info? Im not sure what other info you need to be quite honest. Like i said, i have no problems with any other game i install except for this one, i really dont know what else to say apart from this game s literally dead for me.. its unplayable!

Geez added a comment.Mar 5 2019, 1:11 PM

Hello MyBraiNs.
Are you using any specific launch parameters with the game? Have you been tweaking your .cfg file that is located in the documents? (and do you experience the issue even with freshly created cfg file?). Have you tried running the game with all programs running on your computer turned off?
Regards,
Geez

MyBraiNs,

My game was doing random stutter too.
Found out it was a process from my Google Chrome that took up a lot of CPU usage that randomly came and disappeared again. Maybe it's something like it.

Hi again @Geez , no launch parameters are being used, done a complete deletion of cfg files etc in documents. Also have disabled so much stuff while running DayZ and i still have the juddery stutter. I have been uninstalling programs and running DayZ again with no success of fixing the stutter. I even uninstalled all Microsoft DirectX/Visual C++ Redistributables and reinstalled them, this didnt fix it either though to my surprise, Arma 3 runs a hell of a lot better now.

@rosenlund I have totally uninstalled chrome in the past which didnt fix it either.

Fresh installs of Windows 10 doesnt fix it.

Totally lost here as i dont get stuttering in any other game.

Would be nice if the 'Controller' options were like how they are in Arma 3 where we can totally disable them. I use an Xbox wireless controller for racing games, i see controller options in DayZ settings but no option to disable them like in Arma 3. Would be nice to have that disable option in there if only to rule out any conflicts of keybind settings while controllers are plugged in. I see that when i disable all joystick keybinds, after hitting apply and then going back into the keybind settings, they are all there again, this really shouldnt happen tbh.

Still stutters randomly.. latest BIOS, latest drivers, same old story.

It isnt a server thing either, had same issues with DayZ Offline Mode, talking of Offline Mode, what happened to that?

@Geez So i have noticed something when i get this stuttering, when it happens, 99% of the time if i tab into my inventory and come back out of it the stuttering stops until the next time, then its a case of rinse/repeat during gameplay.. any ideas?

The issue seen in the video still hasnt gone away.. are you guys working with AMD with this game? I never see anything about DayZ in the AMD driver changelogs, do you even have an AMD system you test DayZ on?

Really annoyed that nobody seems to be interested in this issue i am having, help is next to zero.

4NDRO1D added a subscriber: 4NDRO1D.May 4 2019, 7:53 PM
Geez added a comment.May 7 2019, 2:26 PM

The issue seen in the video still hasnt gone away.. are you guys working with AMD with this game? I never see anything about DayZ in the AMD driver changelogs, do you even have an AMD system you test DayZ on?

Really annoyed that nobody seems to be interested in this issue i am having, help is next to zero.

Hello MyBraiNs.
We do have a few AMD setups, however, we are not experiencing the issue you are describing. However, the investigation of the issue is still going on.
Regards,
Geez

Hi @Geez thanks for the reply.. i feel like it is something to do with the UI, whenever the stuttering/juddering happens, 99% of the time if i tab into my inventory and back out again it'll run smooth as hell until the next times it occurs.

Really weird that i get this especially as im getting well over 100fps and even over 200fps in places if i dont use Vsync or lock my fps to monitors refresh rate.

Hope you guys can figure this out, i have tried so many different things to try and fix it myself. This includes uninstalling programs i dont need, even mouse software etc, have also tried that Intelligent standby list cleaner, but this makes no difference.

I'll try and make another video with tabbing in and out of the inventory, though the same fix can be just going into any of the settings too, so hitting Esc and going into settings can be a temporary fix even if im not changing any settings.

Upgraded to Windows 10 1903 Build, activated Variable Refresh Rate, same old shit. Cant believe i actually bought this game TWICE.. i have this on two Steam accounts.

I could live with bugs etc, but a random stuttering mess every whenever it feels like it is unplayable.

I'm done with this game, tried everything to get it working smooth, no luck. Stuttery mess. And all you guys tell me is you have an AMD system? Would love to walk into the Dev offices, probably see Intel/Nvidia systems everywhere. Obviously not working with the AMD driver team on this, must be an Nvidia Gameworks title, just didnt announce it.

Not sure how much they paid you guys but i guess it was worth it.

Really strange how ANY other game i have runs smooth as hell without issues. Even DayZ is giving me up to 300fps on lowest settings but thats no good if its stuttering, locking FPS to refresh rate doesnt make it any better either.

GG.. wont be buying any Bohemia Game ever again.. Arma 3 runs better than this POS and thats saying something.

ICEMAN-FMCS added a subscriber: ICEMAN-FMCS.EditedJul 23 2019, 12:13 AM

@MyBraiNs AMD GPU paired with AMD CPU I have never used, FYI AMD GPU always gave me issues, Ive been running a Nvidia GTX1080 with a 8350FX CPU and have no dramas for a few years now, I take it you have AMD control center running? Id start by either setting the graphics options to let the application decide or uninstall CCC and just run the driver for the GPU (may be hard to do so but worth a try), also make sure you CPU is running at full cores all the time as the game is CPU intensive not so much GPU intensive as other games are, any AMD overlay or OS overlays id also disable and just run steam overlay, Also turn off freesync on your monitor if you can as the game favors Gsync more Ive noticed. its all trial and error but at least your narrowing it down, I had a stutter with my mouse a while back now and it turned out to be a program that was running in the background eg, cloud, megasync etc.. once I turned them off or uninstalled them I was fine.

@MyBraiNs AMD GPU paired with AMD CPU I have never used, FYI AMD GPU always gave me issues, Ive been running a Nvidia GTX1080 with a 8350FX CPU and have no dramas for a few years now, I take it you have AMD control center running? Id start by either setting the graphics options to let the application decide or uninstall CCC and just run the driver for the GPU (may be hard to do so but worth a try), also make sure you CPU is running at full cores all the time as the game is CPU intensive not so much GPU intensive as other games are, any AMD overlay or OS overlays id also disable and just run steam overlay, Also turn off freesync on your monitor if you can as the game favors Gsync more Ive noticed. its all trial and error but at least your narrowing it down, I had a stutter with my mouse a while back now and it turned out to be a program that was running in the background eg, cloud, megasync etc.. once I turned them off or uninstalled them I was fine.

Have tried all that you have mentioned, but you're right.. this game favours Nvidia.

Thanks for your input though, its more than any DayZ dev/rep has done here.

@Geez So i still have the same issues after a fresh Windows 10 install.. i only installed Chipset and GPU drivers, then Steam and then DayZ.. same problem.

I was thinking about back when DayZ ran fine and i remember an option in the settings for Bloom, i used to turn that all the way down as it gave me fps drops and some stutter. Now that setting isnt in there anymore.

Can this setting be put back in as it is obviuosly hard coded in there, most likely within Post Processing, because even disabling PP does not get rid of Bloom effects.

If there is a way to do this in any of the config files, please let me know as i cant find anything relating to this.

Geez added a comment.Aug 1 2019, 3:59 PM

Hello MyBraiNs.
Bloom cannot be disabled in any way at this moment and according to the devs it probably would not help with the issue you are experiencing. Also, regarding to the video you have originally provided and attached to the ticket.. can you provide us with a timestamp where the stutter should be? As we cannot see any stutter issues on the video you have provided. ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nJzuNw6yjvE )
Regards,
Geez

Hello MyBraiNs.
Bloom cannot be disabled in any way at this moment and according to the devs it probably would not help with the issue you are experiencing. Also, regarding to the video you have originally provided and attached to the ticket.. can you provide us with a timestamp where the stutter should be? As we cannot see any stutter issues on the video you have provided. ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nJzuNw6yjvE )
Regards,
Geez

Well thats a shame.

Also, stuttering is from 0.42 - 1.09.. really not sure how they cant see it, everyone else i have linked the video to can see it right away.

I really can’t see it, either. I see character inertia, but nothing that would constitute stuttering.

Wow, you must be used to stuttering then.

I know what he is talking about .. when he spins the frames seem to lag on quick movement, not really stutter .. jerky quick movement left or right .. I too have seen this .. and have in game often ... I think he is just talking about not being smooth and fluid turns.. yes you can see it in the video.
I have a Intel I5 4690k and 16gb ram on ssd, 1060 gtx 6gb video card, its not AMD specific

I know what he is talking about .. when he spins the frames seem to lag on quick movement, not really stutter .. jerky quick movement left or right .. I too have seen this .. and have in game often ... I think he is just talking about not being smooth and fluid turns.. yes you can see it in the video.
I have a Intel I5 4690k and 16gb ram on ssd, 1060 gtx 6gb video card, its not AMD specific

Thanks.. yea its more of a juddering effect but i suppose most would call it stutter anyway.

Maybe an issue in Windows, i really dont know, all i do know is i had it on an Intel 6700K/AMD RX480 system too and the only component that has stayed the same is an AMD GPU. I have upgraded every other part of my system, even the case.

Totally baffling.

Tested an Nvidia 1050ti vs both my AMD RX480 and Vega 56 cards all on the games Low settings.. stuttering on AMD, no stutter on the Nvidia.

Says it all really, maybe you guys need to work with the AMD driver team as obviously you have not done so yet.

You guys are really not very helpful.. i'm having to buy a new Nvidia GPU to show that it isnt my computer and you still have no response.

My PC can run any other game quite easily but i get ignored by DayZ devs.

Obviously never worked with AMD since the new engine.

I guess you made your money already, now making more from consoles.

Thanks for nothing.

You really wanna play this game man.

Update all your drivers, windows, game, graphics card, anything.
I personally use SlimDrivers to update my drivers.
If it doesnt work try to uninstall the drivers and install again.
If that doesnt work try to downgrade your drivers to previous drivers for your hardware.

Try some kind of booster program to boost your gameplay. ex.. Razer Cortex..

Try to install Windows 7 and play on that instead. I had problems when i started using Windows 10 (this was a long time after Win10 even came out). Maybe use another version of Win10 - not pro.

Maybe after a fresh install try to only install the necessary programs to run DayZ. It might be some other program causing it.

Check if anything is taking up RAM og CPU. As i told you in March my Google Chrome took up a bunch of CPU - using Firefox now but in the start even Firefox was taking up a bunch of CPU, but one day it randomly stop.

If you use multiple monitors, try disconnecting them so your graphics card only run one.

I have no idea of any of this will work and you probably tried it all anyways, but at least you got a response now.

well the consoles all run on AMD GPUs btw, weaker than the RX480 and Vega 56

So they still have to work with AMD GPUs to achieve good performance.

It may have to do with specific GPU cards, or it can be something else entirely.

Does it happen on your setup (with same HDD/SDD, ram, etc. with the NVIDIA GPU)

They just need to find ways to reproduce the issue.

I have no idea of any of this will work and you probably tried it all anyways, but at least you got a response now.

Yep, tried everything for over 3 years already. Even Windows 7.

well the consoles all run on AMD GPUs btw, weaker than the RX480 and Vega 56

So they still have to work with AMD GPUs to achieve good performance.

It may have to do with specific GPU cards, or it can be something else entirely.

Does it happen on your setup (with same HDD/SDD, ram, etc. with the NVIDIA GPU)

They just need to find ways to reproduce the issue.

DayZ was on PC first, optimisations on consoles wont really get ported back to PC, they are done with PC now.

I bought an Nviida card and didnt get stuttering, sent it back as i will never support that company.

My system runs GTA V maxed out no problem, it ran Arma 3 better than DayZ. I even installed the Shadow of the Tomb Raider Trial, maxed the crap out of it and still got avg 58fps score. Dirt Rally i get 200fps maxed out, none of these stutter. Wtf happened to DayZ huh?

I have no idea of any of this will work and you probably tried it all anyways, but at least you got a response now.

Yep, tried everything for over 3 years already. Even Windows 7.

Shit man.. got no idea then. Wish i could be more helpful

MyBraiNs added a comment.EditedAug 14 2019, 5:33 PM

@Geez Can you have the devs look at the scaling of the inventory? Check over the UI/IGUI settings/scaling/dpi etc.

I ask this as when i get the stuttering, going in and out my inventory usually fixes it most of the time for a little while. Also when it isnt stuttering, going into inventory and back out can introduce the stuttering.

To be honest the whole interface of the inventory is way too big for my liking. I've tried to adjust those setting in the DayZ Profile config but they change nothing even though the numbers have. Deleting the whole DayZ folder and firing her up, not changing any settings does not fix anything, verify files does nothing either.

This is my last shot and i hope you guys can actually look into this. If this isnt what is causing it then i cant think of anything else.

I've even tried the FlipQueueSize=1 in Regedit since AMD took away that option in the drivers. This didnt change anything.

Im really fed up of firing up DayZ just to try and fix this crap instead of actually enjoying playing the damn game.

Heres a graph of frametimes when tabbing in and out of inventory.

https://imgur.com/8kKtecj

This isnt normal.

Still have same issues so i am done with this POS. Uninstalled both Stable and Exp. Might aswell delete this thread but i know you guys are gona mark it as solved when it never was.

Cya DayZ.. you ran better when you were a clunky ass 0.5x build.