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The AI uses a Laser designator/binocular, when don't need to do this action (3-video).
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-0cFEquuPmM&feature=youtu.be
https://youtu.be/56p4QfS0NzI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-EF4qhflbk0&feature=youtu.be

Very often, if the AI has a Laser designator or binocular, then this AI, uses them, when don't need to do this action!

  1. uses in the between several buildings, i.e. in a closed space!
  2. uses under enemy fire!
  3. uses towards the walls! (see screenshots)
  4. uses inside biildings! ( see second video example)

This unit turns into a useless soldier.

BIS, please make it normal, it's so simple.
The AI needs to use such devices, only on the wide terrain and while in not dangerous or any battle modes! {F25822} {F25823} {F25824} {F25825} {F25826}

Details

Legacy ID
2379041168
Severity
None
Resolution
Open
Reproducibility
Sometimes
Category
AI Issues

Event Timeline

mickeymen set Category to AI Issues.Mar 21 2015, 1:21 PM
mickeymen set Reproducibility to Sometimes.
mickeymen set Severity to None.
mickeymen set Resolution to Open.
mickeymen set Legacy ID to 2379041168.May 8 2016, 11:43 AM
Adam added a comment.Mar 24 2015, 1:53 PM

Hello,

thank you for submitting the ticket. Could you please upload a simple repro mission displaying the problem? It would be a big help.

Thank you.

Hi! Ok, but, it is difficult to be called this mission as repro-mission, because the AI decides independently, when to use the laser designator/binocular. Probably you need to have some patience and be attentive.
You should watch the unit with number 3 in your squad, when a squad goes into "danger" mode(after detection of enemy attack).
Unit № 3 (scout-sniper) will use designator/binocular even in combat mode and under enemy fire.
Try load this mission from here:
https://yadi.sk/d/tLcAWuI8fVHRo

Thanks for attention...

Adam added a comment.Mar 25 2015, 11:17 AM

Hi,

I'm sorry but i was not able to reproduce the issue using your mission. Could you please provide exact reproduction steps? It would be a huge help.

Thank you.

I have already reported:
"difficult to be called this mission as repro-mission, because the AI decides independently, when to use the laser designator/binocular"

"Probably you need to have some patience and be attentive"
This means - unfortunately, we can't force the AI to do it, with 100% probability and probably need to try tests several times.

But i am assured, the solution is simple and there is no need to reproduce this AI-behaviour!
BIS need to check or recreate the all preconditions, WHEN THE AI NEEDS to USE THESE DEVICES! THIS IS THE MAIN DETAIL!
I think, the AI should use these devices only in the two cases:

  1. only in the not dangerous mode(this means out of hostilities).
  2. only on the wide terrain, when there are no nearby buildings.

I think in other cases, the AI not should use designator or binocilar!
Then, this behavior will be more realistic and the problem will be is solved!

Adam added a comment.Mar 26 2015, 10:20 AM

I'm sorry but we are still unable to reproduce this issue. This means we are not able to pin point the source of that issue and cannot fix it.

I have simple test:

  1. Open oditor
  2. I placed two squad in the Stratis map.
  3. Sent these units to each other, use waypoint - "Seek and destroy"

AND IT'S ALL!

This is what I saw: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-EF4qhflbk0&feature=youtu.be

Why you can't seem to reproduce it?
This is elementary, but probably requires some patience!
Probably you should to spend more than one test, may be 5 or 6? I don't know exactly.
I don't know when the AI wants to use the binoculars, He decides.
You can see that I'm not imagining this. My video examples are proof!

Again.
I am assured, the solution is simple and there is no need to reproduce this AI-behaviour! BIS need to CHECK OR RECREATE THE ALL PRECONDITIONS, WHEN THE AI NEEDS to USE THESE DEVICES! THIS IS THE MAIN DETAIL!

Please make the AI used the binoculars in only two cases:

  1. only in the not dangerous mode(this means out of hostilities).
  2. only on the wide terrain(when there are no nearby buildings or other objects) and not long time.

Similarly the use of binoculars should be short-lived.
As we can see in my example the AI uses long binoculars, constantly changing his primary weapon. I think this is bad.

If you do as I say then, this behavior will be more realistic and the problem will be is solved!