I thought I would mention a alternative name for this class... Combat Medical Technician. Like the British Army's medics are called in real life. Not sure if I am the only one but something just doesnt sound right with Combat Life Saver imo.
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I don't understand what was wrong with "Medic" unless the devs plan to have a seperate Medic character with a different loadout and purpose. (such as better equipment, and a primary role in medical aid and operation of medical gear and vehicles). Who knows, but I would love to either change this name back to Medic or have a seperate Medic character.
Yeah Medic works fine for me too. I just do not think Combat Life Saver should be in this game at all lol The name just doesnt sound right to me...
Medic is great , short and simple , imagine calling for a Combat medical tech ... while in battle
It is not a bad term, at least for the US Army. I believe their field medical course is actually called the "Combat Lifesaver Course". Medic is fine too.
You wouldnt call "combat medical technician" whilst in theatre. you would still call for a medic lol
Combat Lifesaver is a U.S. Army term (the regular infantry units in ARMA 3 are U.S. Army).
However, "Medic" would still be a better term. I don't know why they changed it.
Please note that CLS and CMT are 2 different functions:
CLS = Combat Life Saver, an infantry team/squad member which provides first aid. Just a regular soldier with simple medical training.
CMT = Charge Medical Technician, a team member which provides medical support. Useally found at MEDEVAC vehicles (eg. helicopters). A specialized unit with medical training based on the vehicle he/she is working on.
Medic = ... just an easy name for any medical personel.
/downvoted since A3 is correct with the naming.
AD2001: The regular, standard infantry are U.S. Army. I'm not sure about the divers, though. They all speak American accents, so it's hard to determine.
CMT is a medic trained to go out on the front line attached to a infantry team. They are not just specifically attached to a vehicle. They work in theatre's, front line, and EVAC's.
@Laqueesha: there are some british guys, but the BLUEFOR units are NATO
To the topic: the official term used for a combat medic is CLS, so...it should stay
According to Wikipedia, a Combat Lifesaver is a non-medic soldier with moderate emergency medical training. If that holds for Arma, it might hint at a separate medic class
I was taught in medic training that Combat Life Saver is new group member type (invented and being brought into use by NATO) who is otherwise regular soldier/group member but has stronger first aid/medical training than other group members. CLS is responsible for giving the life-saving, immediate first aid (like applying tourniquet and pressure bandage on fatal wounds) and evacing the patient in cover under fire. When there aren't any wounded people, CLSs fight like regular group members. CLSs are kind of between regular group member and medic - not being fully either of them, but having some abilities and tasks of both. CLSs don't replace medics, instead they support them. I was positively surprised to see this in game, because it seems very likely that CLSs will become a global standard in future, at least in NATO.
TL;DR, Combat Life Saver is correct term and should not be changed.
Ezco in regards to your post about CLS, they are not a medical team. This is the lowest form of survival aid in the Army. These are the Soldiers that are tasked with immediate lifesaving and assisting the MEDIC, they can do nothing special or out of the ordinary. Myself as a medic can do 10x more and direct them in care. They are not tasked with patient evac or care under fire. Yes all Soldiers are trained to be CLS, this is a Army directive for any overseas deployment, the reason is there is only 1 Medic per Infantry platoon, and 3 medics per company. Thats alot of work for only 3 medics.
CLS should not be changed, But I believe Medic should be added.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Combat_Medical_Technician I would say that CLS and CMT are different roles. CMT's are soldiers trained to provide medical assistance anywhere they go. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1328175/Female-Army-medic-Sarah-Bushbye-awarded-Military-Cross-extreme-courage.html there is just one example that shows CMT's are on the frontline alongside normal infantry units...
@Haligan, I think you misunderstood me, that's pretty much exactly like I meant it.
I have medic training IRL as well (obligatory army though, so I haven't been in "real" combat situation), but our trainers told pretty unambiguously that if member of group gets wounded, the CLS is the primary selection as the member who gets to the patient, gives him life-saving immediate first aid and then evacs him to cover (so that medic can start treating the wounded there), aided by other members if there's need. To my knowledge, every member of the group doesn't have the same level of first aid training than CLS. Of course, every single soldier out there has some kind of training in first aid, but to my knowledge (based on our lessons about the subject) CLS has stronger first aid training than other group members but not as strong than what the medic has.
Of course, there might be differencies between armies, but that's what they taught me about how it goes in US Army and furthermore in NATO.
Edit: To clarify it a little bit more, with evacing the patient into cover I mean evacing the patient from under direct enemy fire into primary cover/to the medic so that medic can start treating him, but not any further – that's medic's task in regular conditions.
sounds like someone from a rough episode of Bay Watch for God's sake.
The term Medic is what someone shouts for when they need one & what they are always called in combat & out of it. So your telling me that when a US soldier takes a hit he shouts for a "Combat Life Saver"
If you catch the pox you go & see the MO, if you need a Band Aid or a laxative you see a Medical Orderly. You take a hit you shout Medic FFs
@KDK11, the difference in CMT and Medic is most likely nothing but a name, as CMT is British and Medic is US Army, actually we are called Medical Specialists, for admin purposes. Once we are out of training and earn the respect of our soldiers we are called "DOC".
@Ezcoo, My apologies went back and reread the note. Your correct I misunderstood. I know the US Army CLS has a stronger first aid training only becasue they have to certify yearly so they use the skills, the everyday person that does not is only trained in what we call Self Aid, and Buddy Aid, basically first aid.
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