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Cannot move underwater when reloading.
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Description

When you dive you're able to use your legs to move if you use your arms to do something.
when you reload actually you stop with the animation while it would be possible to move.

Details

Legacy ID
538623834
Severity
None
Resolution
Open
Reproducibility
Have Not Tried
Category
Swimming and Diving
Steps To Reproduce

Take a diver, go underwater, and ty to move when reloading.

Event Timeline

plutoto74 edited Additional Information. (Show Details)
plutoto74 set Category to Swimming and Diving.
plutoto74 set Reproducibility to Have Not Tried.
plutoto74 set Severity to None.
plutoto74 set Resolution to Open.
plutoto74 set Legacy ID to 538623834.May 7 2016, 3:29 PM

try doing a puzzle underwater while you keep diving and looking where are you going

@Dr Death Joker!

Have you ever dive?
Me YES, and you can use your legs to move while you use you arms for something else.

And puzzle carton underwater... :)
And underwater there's no wall, it's big enough, it's easier to move than on floor where you need to balance; we can turn the head an run ingame...

Pluto:

1- the human brain has a hard time moving and doing something at the same time while you have to see where are you going and avoid obstacles
2- i never said walls, i meant things like rocks, underwater floor, sand, the coast, and yes, there can be walls underwater.

And when your moving on floor and turning the head there's trees, rocks, walls, fence, houses, steps.
But have you ever dive?
I'm skier, I do competition for a long time, always turning the head, with speed, to prepare turns...
It's call kynesthesis.

dude....... what the fuck are you talking about? moving the head? please read the note i posted before

So for you devs need to disable reloading on the move on land!
Because we can't do something when moving...

dude.... you cant reload when moving in land already......

but it should be done, far more slowly than when you are quiet, but it should be done.

my point is that walking is far more natural for a byped entity than diving, that's why reloading when moving its not a good idea when underwater, and if we use a real life scenario, dont forget about someone accidentally thorwing the mag away under water.

I don't dive but I hold my breath and operate a underwater camera which is like a complicated digital camera underwater.

Usually while following sea life or swimming around, over and under large rocks and rocky areas. I would think a Militery diver could at least do it the same as me if no better.

Heruon added a subscriber: Heruon.May 7 2016, 3:29 PM

Sure we can reload while moving on land! I find doing stuff under water while swimming quite easy.. Paddling with your feet is really not that demanding on concentration, as you don't have to watch your step.

@Dr Death
Do you play the game? Because it's possible to reload on the move, on land.

"my point is that walking is far more natural for a byped entity than diving", ye and why babies can start to dive before to walk?
Scientists discovered that to swim, dive is natural for humans, cause of origins nearly see.

"ye and why babies can start to dive before to walk?"

first, i have never heard of that, second, i am pretty sure a baby dont really "swim" or "dive" because to dive you need to learn how to move your body underwater and how to hold your breath, and when moving your feets to swim you DO need to use your focus to hold a steady rithm

And i checked again, yes, you can move and reload at the same time, i think i couldn't in dev. build for some reason, but i was wrong

So look for babies in water, search and you will see...
A baby hold his breath autmatically in water and remember before to born, in his mother he's in a fluid, and he's ready for fluids...
Anyway stay on subject, now when you dive, you must look at a diving watch to see the time ( for air ) or at a depht gauge, you can use a harpoon gun and reload and move at the same time.
So we are slighty moving out of the subject, to move and reload rifle underwater when moving, you find now that's possible on floor, so why not in water!
Listen who have dive before to say it's impossible.

"A baby hold his breath autmatically in water and remember before to born, in his mother he's in a fluid, and he's ready for fluids" that's the most stupid argument i have ever seen, a baby dont breath before born but the baby cannot hold breath, the O2 is given trough the mothers body.

there is a difference between watching your arm and using your mind to reload a gun, then again, diving and walking are 2 completely different ways in wich you have to reload.

and dont talk like if you think you are right just because you have dived, i have also dived in my life (i pretty much like to be in the water) and i find impossible to hold the rythm of your legs while you search for a mag to put and take the chamber back so you can use the gun

It was just to say that the baby know well fluids, I know that he doen't hold his breath.

Walking is not easier cause of balancing, it's not the case in water.

So because you think you're right too, how it is possible to juggle in equilibrium? It's more difficult than walking, and with the mind more difficult than to search a mag and to reload a rifle...

juggling consumes your mind and focus, keeping balance when running the same, that's why you cant effectively reload fast while running, same when diving, you may try it slowly and do it without slowing down, but the human brain has it limits

Soldiers are trained to reload weapons fast in all conditions, they have to know very well their weapon.

And to juggle in equilibrium I was meaning on a chair in equilibrium or on a rope.

soldiers cant reload fast in all conditions while under fire, its hard to express myself, but if you have a gun, try reloading it while running as fast as you can, its pretty much the same as reloading when diving

Well, I tried to do things when diving yesterday at the pool in order to test the theory. What I noticed is that when I try to simulate changing mags underwater (or doing something similar), my concentration level on moving my legs is hugely reduced. I noticed that I moved my legs in a faster irregular manner. I admit that I'm not a professional diver, but changing mags is not an easy thing to do either (especially under water). So, my vote goes down on this.

thanks, that's what i meant, ahmedabdo, that was my point, the human mind is limited to certain actions, there's a theory that females can focus on 2 tasks max while males can only focus in doing correctly 1 task

It's not the ticket to reload fast, read it, with what you think devs need to remove the ability to reload in action ( in land ), but you forget the training.
I'm professional skier, ski instructor, to ski is totally unnatural but, with training you can turn the head to prepare the next turns, have to be balanced in the same time, follow the relief to keep contact with snow; there's many things to do, a beginner can't do it.
Now ahedabdo you were like a beginner when you did that.
Remember that soldiers have training, they are not beginners, and they know very well their weapon, they can do it eyes closed.
It's call kynesthesis, you don't really have to mind what to do, it's becomming an automatism.

And Dr Death it's wrong, male and female can focus one thing in the same time, the difference that female don't use their brain in the same way, it's proven by science, but a bad legend.

fine, i take your second comment, but i call bullshit on your first one,a human cannot train his brain to be able to do more than 1 task at the time, try actually reloading a gun while you pay attention to skying while you are going down a hill, tell me if you can do both at the same time with no problems, if you tell me you can, then i will upvote this.

And if you want to be proven right, show me some proof if you can

Ok I search vids for combat divers in action underwater but no vid, I found one with juggle in equilibrium, that is more difficult than to reload on the move underwater. There's 2 things to do in the same time; to be balanced and to juggle, so there's no focus only on the balancing or the juggling, the secret, training. Watch and wait for the end!

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=wwz5y3UB3-A

Yeah this is really gonna make those epic underwater battles with pellet guns so much less exciting... It's a SIM. Stop swimming to reload or play another game.

it still wont prove nothing, show me the same thing but him walking while he is juggling, THEN i will prove you right

So if it's a SIM have to be realistic. Like now and in VBS we can reload on the move but for @ Dr Death it's difficult, like has to be cancel of the game, but VBS is based on real combat experience. Why it's more difficult to reload underwater than out, you're totally wrong. My vid is just to prove that Dr Death is wrong with his story of focusing on 1 thing, and again what you see in the vid is really need lot of focus on 2 things in same time, and it's much more difficult than to reload underwater on the move.

But I prefer a real combat diver with lot of experiment to answer. Your thinking is very far from the reality. More, just to reload underwater need to stabilise with the flow, so to use the legs.

@mepwaygame

I play since OFP, and you?

ok, your video has yet to prove something, keeping balance like that is not an extra task, and i never said moving and reloading at the same time has to be out of the game or in, i said it has to be slower if you are running at a big speed, and ask any expert on the human brain, the brain cannot focus on more than 1/2 tasks at the time

I'm OK with you to reload at slower speed. It will be very interesting to have a comment from a military diver! Ok again with limited tasks of our brain, but sincerely to answer you in ski I can open my pocket, take my phone, turn my head and continu to focus ( less ) on the piste ( direction to go ). So training can be really helpfull! Take an instrument if you're beginner seems to be quite difficult but with the time.

I'm not sure but I really think it's possible to move, less easier than without reloading sure but again arest you have to stabilize the waterflow, espicially nearly relief, so to use the legs.

ok, you see, i will understand i am wrong if you can tell me you are using your phone, talking or using it MEANWHILE you turn or break skying.

But a normal human cant do that, that's my point

29 years of skiing ( 1/3 because of the season ). Ok it's a long training, but ski is one of the most difficult thing to progress, and I can say that I am very normal! :)
Some people are better than me...

For a trained military diver is seems to become an easy thing, like to open his pocket and take his phone while he's walking.

It's not unhuman or unrealistic.

its not just walking, its paying attention to walking AND doing something.

Please, listen to what i said and try to sky and using your phone at the same time, you cant talk to someone and turn a curve in the same time

No prob to turn, but I can't go too fast, it's too windy! And no prob for stopping, there's lot of person smetimes. I's like when you drive a car with a phone, it's not very good for the awareness, but it's possible.

but the point is that you cant be aware while doing both things at the same time, you can just be aware of 1 thing

Again that's not my ticket, sure like when reloading on the move out of water is the problem of awreness, it's a sim but you play with a mouse with a screen, you don't really care of the reloading action, your vision stay on where you go. It's difficult to reproduce the focus on screen cause it's not real. So in and out of water is the same.

the point its that you cant be aware of both things at the same time, same example is diving and reloading, you can be an athlete, but performing a task that requieres you to think will make you lose sync with your legs while diving

Ok, I found a trained guy to demonstrate what I wanted to explain, look it's amazing...

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=krPbGQv6EjQ

close, but i am still not convinced

This is really more difficult than my ticket... If this cannot convince you! This man is human, he's just trained...

Thank you so much BIS, if you can done all the most realistics wishes on the feedback tracker even after the release you're champions, you got lot of fans, I LOVE you guys.