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Please make low flying aircrafts (including helicopters and planes) unabled to be locked on by missiles
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Since you have deprived the radar function of helicopters that are not equipped with missiles. I think it is reasonable to add a "Below Radar" ability to them so that their vulnerable survivability can be increased.

Please consider making aircrafts flying lower than 30 meters unlockable by missiles since they are protected by ground clutters. It is quite reasonable so that helicopters without radar can play a more important role in battles.

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Legacy ID
532162386
Severity
None
Resolution
Open
Reproducibility
Always
Category
Gameplay

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Jermin edited Steps To Reproduce. (Show Details)Jan 29 2015, 3:41 PM
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Jermin set Legacy ID to 532162386.May 7 2016, 8:11 PM

isnt there difficulty setting you can tweak to disable locks?

Jermin added a subscriber: Jermin.May 7 2016, 8:11 PM

Honestly, I don't know. And even if there is one, it will be a global switch, which is very different from the requested feature.

Oh men don't you know that ground clutter is not a problem for modern missile systems?

Even old systems like SA-2, SA-3 had a option to reduce ground clutter.
So it was possible in 60s and maybe even 50s so why u think that it should be a problem in future?

https://sites.google.com/site/samsimulator1972/home
If you learn how to operate every system in this sim you will probably be able to have some limited knowledge about SAM systems...

Its not BF3. Its not fantasy movie...

Also you should remember that MANPADS (we use them a lot in ArmA 3) are performing the best at low altitudes. Jet engine, or even airframe of airplane is noticably warmer than ground and this makes clutter not a problem for IR guided ones too.

Helicopters don't have as big heat signature as airplanes, but they are still warmer than background.

We are talking about handheld missile launcher and AA missile, not SAMs. Thanks.

As for Land-based Anti Air Vehicles (still not SAM site), terrain masking is sufficient to render them useless.

Bohemia added a subscriber: Bohemia.May 7 2016, 8:11 PM

Cant you just use command "player setCaptive true"? In today army there is no hardware than cannot lock on your aircraft/helicopter beacuse all have warm signature didnt you heared about using flares?

Terrain masking and terrain clutter are completly different things bro.

Terrain masking is when there are obstacles between radar and target or between missile and target.
For airplanes terrain masking is usefull if you hide behind a hill. But its practically useless at flat terrain. I remember situations in Falcon 4 where i was hiding behind hills to destroy some long range SAMs with HARMs.

For helicopters you can also hide behind building, i defeated tunguska in DCS:Ka-50 using this method.

IIRC TERRAIN MASKING WAS ALREADY IMPLEMENTED IN ARMA 3.
TERRAIN MASKING HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH TERRAIN CLUTTER so called GROUND CLUTTER!

Terrain clutter mostly occurs with (very) old air to air radars. Echo from ground may sometimes look like false target. So terrain clutter is basically false target while terrain masking is hiding your aircraft from radiation.
There was a filters that allowed you to reduce ground clutter.
Ground clutter was also appearing on ground to air FCR radars, there also was a filters to reduce it, but it was not as big problem as in air to air radars and even without clutter reduction it was quite easy to know what is clutter and what is target.

Ground to air doppler FCR radars was not showing ground clutter as the ground clutter was not moving (doppler can only detect moving target) so in SA-5 you will not see any ground clutter.

And if we talking about MANPADS (hand held launchers) they are IR so ground clutter is not a problem as target is warmer than ground.

REMEMBER! GROUND CLUTTER WAS NEVER A KIND OF PROTECTION, IT WAS ONLY DISTURBING RADAR OPERATOR BECAUSE IT COULD LOOK LIKE FALSE TARGET!

I hope that now you know what i mean, so i wish you happy masking ;-)