Well I do hope this gets considered, does seem like solid idea... Is it even possible to script a demo?

This is actually almost exactly how it already works. Shots damage component hitboxes after penetrating armor. Take out the hull damage, and this ticket is finished.

What we're missing is crew damage based on the probabilistic threat of spall, shock, heat, light, fragments.

That requires scripted solutions, which BIS is too candy ass to use, even though it works perfectly in ACE.

So that also rules out ERA (hurray for WWII tech in 2035!), HEAT vs KE differences, LOA and angle of incidence simulation (partially), etc.

Quite much like what I described in my tank tutorial under DAMAGE section.

http://community.bistudio.com/wiki/Arma_3_Tanks_Config_Guidelines

Thanks for input :)

I read the config guidelines, and I am not quite sure it is the same. However, if we're really that close already, wouldn't it be worth considering working on damage behaviour and adding more different components?

Compartemented Ammo storage (So when a Tank blows up, if it has an ammo compartement with blowoff panels, the explosion takes place but doesn't destroy the vehicle or harm the crew.), Damageable optics and sensors, things like that.

Also re: probabalistic simulation of spall, shock, heat, etc is unnecessary. Simulation is generally doing overkill simulation where you could use a simple system that looks like it is actually much more complex. All vehicles need is some kind of crew compartment hit zone, and some rule that asks what kind of weapon hit me, what's the effect, then apply a value from that effect to the damaged area. Base the damage value on research findings. Actually doing live armor penetration calculations is a waste of cycles, as far as I am concerned: as long as the system -feels- realistic and enjoyable, do we really care about what it does and doesn't do under the hood?

The damage system right now is still unsatisfying, which is why I am advocating for chänge :>

If I want to have damageable optics, I need to have way to make AI blind.
If I want blowoff panels and ammo storages, I need to remove rounds that have been blown up.

Without dedicated programming support and no scripts allowed in first place these are impossible. That's how the things are unfortunately.

Why aren't you allowed to use scripts anyway? It's not like those 0.1 FPS is more important than a better damage system for vehicles.

Because scripts are tack-on. I´m opposed to their use too, especially because I know how badly they can impact a low end rig like mine.

I see that the system is standing as it is for now, with tweaks, however I think that in the future and as the game matures, systems like that may be worth considering.

This goes along with infantry body armor. Individual tanks with more detailed damage modelling would make fighting them and fighting from them more interesting, because you can make the individual vehicle tougher without making them overpowered. Nice to know you are having an eye on it, though, the armor penetration systems is really getting good at the moment, and I really appreciate your hard work!

I played ArmA 2 with a laptop that was well below minimum reqs and ACE 2's armor system worked FINE. Just FINE.

You can't even use a single, one-time script to remove ammo? Possibly the simplest, least taxing function you could possibly conceive of in a videogame? WTF?! What do they think their missions are made out of?

ShackTac uses ACE's scripted systems in games with 200 players, it's stress-tested out the ass.

Sorry, but fuck whoever made that decision.