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Mosin Nagant Becoming Ruined After 20-30 Rounds Fired
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Description

I have observed two Mosin 9130 rifles in Pristine condition ruined after putting only approximately 20-30 rounds through each.

In the first instance, my friend (Odd)Tank (http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561198046075292) had a Mosin and used a hacksaw to shorten the length of the weapon.
He fired approximately 20 rounds at zombies that respawned at the Myshkino military camp and the weapon became badly damaged.
Fortunately, he caught the anomaly and restored the weapon to worn with the weapon cleaning kit.

In a second instance, I acquired a Mosin from a hunting stand in Pristine condition and accidentally ruined it by firing approximately 20-30 shots at Myshkino military camp zombies.
My first reload was done with a 5-round Mosin stripper clip, my other subsequent reloads were done with manual loading.
I only noticed the rifle was ruined after it failed to fire four times in a row during combat with remaining zombies.

Based on historical documentation, this weapon should not be so fragile and should be quite the opposite.

Details

Severity
Minor
Resolution
Open
Reproducibility
Always
Operating System
Windows 7
Operating System Version
Version 6.1.7601
Category
Gameplay
Steps To Reproduce

01 - Obtain a Mosin in pristine condition.
02 - Chamber 7.62x54R rifle rounds in the Mosin.
03 - Shoot between 20 and 40 rounds.
04 - Note the rifle's condition - in my experience, it is almost guaranteed to either be ruined or badly damaged.

  • NOTE ***

This behavior is also observable on an FN FAL, while single chambering rounds.

01 - Obtain an FN FAL in pristine condition.
02 - Chamber a single 7.62x51mm rifle round in the weapon - with no magazine attached.
03 - Shoot between 20 and 40 rounds using this loading mechanism.
04 - Note the rifle's condition - in my experience, it is almost guaranteed to either be ruined or badly damaged.

Additional Information

Inherent to all weapons, chambering single rounds causes a pronounced effect on weapon condition degradation.
For example, if you do not have an FN FAL magazine in your possession, chambering single .308 (7.62x51mm) rounds will quickly wear the weapon out.

Of curious note, I nearly destroyed my first FN FAL (got to 'Badly Damaged') in a surprisingly low number of relative shots fired.
I was target practicing with the new rifle shooting zombies at the Myshkino camp and my friend asked me to check my rifle's condition out of curiosity.
To my dismay, the rifle was 'Badly Damaged' after chambering approximately 20-40 rounds.

We restored the weapon's condition to worn using a weapon cleaning kit and agreed not to fire it again (as it is a rarer spawn) until we located a magazine for it.
After locating a 20-round FN FAL magazine, we were able to fire between one-hundred to two-hundred .308 rifle rounds before the weapon's condition deteriorated below worn.

It is my belief, based on this behavior and that of the behavior mentioned in the description, that the rifle wear condition is tied to the physical act of reloading of the rifle.
Whether loading one round (sans magazine), or loading entire magazines, the act of reloading itself seems to degrade the weapon.

I believe in the case of the Mosin, a single instance of manually chambering 5 rounds to fill the integral magazine is acting as 5 separate reloads, accelerating the rifle's decay.
This is obviously not an issue for other weapons with internal magazines, such as the Red-9, Trumpet, and/or the SKS,

It is my belief (again, this is conjecture) that the Red 9, Trumpet, SKS, and other "integral magazine" weapons have a flag or some setting that disregards the individual round load count, causing these weapons to deteriorate at a "natural" rate. This same "exemption" - if it exists - could/should be applied to the Mosin.

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This can happen with all guns now. You need to repair them constantly.
You can get the weapon repair kit to help restore it back to worn.

This is the new destroy feature we have now. It hasn't been tweaked perfectly.

I agree it is way to extreme to repair that fast and needs to be adjusted. Guns like the Ar can still operate after sinking it into the mud and it shoots pretty good afterwards. AK had issues with the weapon.

These videos are on the extreme levels.

AR vs AK mud test
https://youtu.be/9APzYqwXckw

I agree if you run through the server with heavy rain it should hurt the gun a slight bit over time.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CELpc9X_uss

There is jamming after water.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6txE-HoNvQ

So i do agree about the wear, just it has to be adjusted more.

Geez changed the task status from New to Acknowledged.Jul 28 2016, 3:41 PM
Geez added a subscriber: Geez.

Hello DrBlizzard and thank you for the report.
The issue has been confirmed and scheduled for a fix.
Regards,
Geez

It's worth noting that other single chambered guns have this issue. The IZH-18 becomes ruined after about 15-20 rounds of shooting.

Geez added a comment.Nov 16 2017, 1:52 PM

Thank you Rule.303.
The damage system is being reworked for the 0.63 version and we will go through all the weapons internally to make sure those issues are no longer present.
Regards,
Geez

Geez closed this task as Resolved.Oct 29 2018, 11:13 AM
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