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May 9 2016

Turtle added a comment to T60025: No female soldiers models available.

@MaJoR Mole
How is my opinion irrelevent? Everyone else's opinions seem to be relevant but because I'm not on the same side as you my opinion is not relevant?
Also I have read every single post in this thread, just because the US recently adopted new policies and Canada already permitted them does not mean we are going to have large presence of female soldiers in the future. I think the US said yes to that to be "politically correct". If you could give me a source saying that females will be in the EXACT SAME frontline combat units as males then that would be appreciated but for now I do not think they are 100% equal on the battlefield. Not to long ago there was a test to see if females could handle either marine infantry or officer training or something along those lines. I forget the exact details but feel free to look it up yourself. The 2 females that were in training as a test flunked out within the first month or so I believe. And I'm not saying all females are bad soldiers I'm just saying on Average men are better.
@Kumeda Good read, I do not think that all women soldiers are bad and I think that thinking that would be ignorant I think that there are "bad apples" in all groups of society. Most of the stories I've heard from veterans invovling female enlistees are negative, however that does not mean all of them are.

May 9 2016, 7:33 PM · Arma 3
Turtle added a comment to T60025: No female soldiers models available.

In the few days since I have last posted in this thread there has been some utterly offensive and irrelevant posts that I didn't quite expect from the Arma community.
Also why does everyone think that there will be more female soldiers in the future? Where are they getting this idea from, there is nothing that suggests this. Males have always been the primary warriors of the human race and always will be. That's not me being sexist, that's a fact and if you can't understand that then you are not in my opinion mentally mature enough to be playing this game. This issue would be breaking realism for me and some others. Most of the people for it just want it because of their feelings (which don't belong on a feedback forum) or they want it because they think it would be "fun". If you want something in a realistic military sim just for "fun" or because you think it would be cool and solely for those purposes, you should mod it in yourself and not force that idea on others and have it disrupt part of the base game.

May 9 2016, 7:32 PM · Arma 3
Turtle added a comment to T60025: No female soldiers models available.

@Emualynk I think you are taking this issue to personally, which Is probably why the mods will not post here. They are making a good decision and are avoiding a shitstorm.
Noone is trying to pass as a moderator and noone is trying to tell people how they can and cant express themselves. If anything you are doing that telling Kumeda to not apologize to me when he simply being polite. I appreciate Kumedas input and how mature he is about this. I am going to stop talking about this now in order to keep the thread on track.
@Kumeda I somewhat agree with your post, I think Arma is a great tool for doing awesome things that you couldn't do in real life or even in most video games for that matter. As I'm sure most of us have seen this game is capable of doing alot, especially with the amazing modding community. That being said I think for the base games and reasons of realism and development resources there should not be female operators as previously stated. I would have no problem with mods or maybe even dlc down the road. I just don't think it belongs in the base game.

May 9 2016, 7:27 PM · Arma 3
Turtle added a comment to T60025: No female soldiers models available.

@SGTIce I wholeheartedly agree with you 100%, well said.

May 9 2016, 7:27 PM · Arma 3
Turtle added a comment to T60025: No female soldiers models available.

@Emualynk the problem is that in a conflict such as this they would most likely never be used.

May 9 2016, 7:26 PM · Arma 3
Turtle added a comment to T60025: No female soldiers models available.

@Kumeda I do not have a dislike of women or look down on them in anyway and I'm sorry that It may have looked like that with how I worded my responses. I think women should have equal rights and such with everything, I just do not think they belong on the frontlines of the battlefield, for a multitude of reasons I would rather not get into.
I can see where you are coming from with the whole playing with a friend who happens to be a girl and having her represented as such in game, but as previously stated I do not think female operators belong in this game, I would be ok with having them in Battlefield or COD because of their less realistic more casual, relaxed or competitive styled game play. But I absolutely do not think they belong in the Arma Series.

May 9 2016, 7:26 PM · Arma 3
Turtle added a comment to T60025: No female soldiers models available.

@Emualynk Even if they do it is an extremely small minority. And just because they are in a combat unit does not mean they have a combat MOS or whatever you would like to call it (sorry if the wording is incorrect, not up to snuff on these terms). From what I've read, most countries who allow women in the infantry have an extremely small amount of them because they either can't qualify or they choose another job, also most special forces groups (higher tier operators if that's better) don't allow women in, and I do believe Arma has a good amount of special operations groups and such.
If the game does involve NATO as blufor (I assume it wouldn't be opfor)you can't really play as NATO, you can play as a soldier from one of the nations in NATO, like how in Arma 2 you could play either US or British (Both in NATO). But since we are just assuming things, lets say Canada is on the list of playable Blufor nations. As you pointed out and I did some quick research on Canada allows women in all military services except for submarines. Now let's assume this game is centered around a flashpoint conflict (which I believe it is), I don't think Canada would send a huge ass general group of units. I assume (and hope) that Canada would pick a more specialized group of combat ready units, which would most likely be just males. And if there were female's in that unit it would be an extremely small percentage and most if not all of them would not be in combat roles. But like I said, these are all just assumptions.

May 9 2016, 7:26 PM · Arma 3
Turtle added a comment to T60025: No female soldiers models available.

@Kumeda I appreciate your argument. Even If it is just a small amount of effort I think it could be of better use in other development areas, like I have stated before. I also would not like women soldiers in the game for the sake of realism.
That's about my whole argument.

May 9 2016, 7:26 PM · Arma 3
Turtle added a comment to T60025: No female soldiers models available.

@Faith
Of course I just want improvements, the game is in alpha. I want a well made game with true development priorities, I'm not saying female characters would ruin the game I'm just saying It's a waste of resources. I am 100% sure their will be female character mods within the first week of release so I don't see it as something Bohemia needs to do, especially if its for such a small group of whiny, politically correct BS spouting players.
Politics and emotions do not belong in this forum, and if someone gives me a solid factual reason as to why there should be females in the game, I will do my best to make sure female models get into the game. But as It stands I see none.

May 9 2016, 7:26 PM · Arma 3
Turtle added a comment to T60025: No female soldiers models available.

The amount of time and effort that would have to be put into modeling and making animations for female characters is a waste and could be better spent elsewhere, such as improving gameplay, making a more stable release or improving hardware efficiency so that the game is more accessible to players with not so high end rigs.
This is only affects a very small group of players, and I think we could all agree most of us don't care or don't want female soldiers in Arma 3. This is one of the last true "realistic" game series in my opinion. And as it stand's in modern times, most military's do not allow women in frontline combat units, for reasons I won't get into.
I think that If a women really wants to play Arma she will regardless of whether or not there is female models, Because chances are she plays Arma for what kind of game it is, like the rest of us.
tl;dr It's a small issue that isn't worth the time and cost because it will only effect a small amount of whiny players. The time and cost it takes to make female models, animations and voice could be better spent on bigger issues that will affect a greater majority of players and could contribute in a positive way to game sales and reviews.

May 9 2016, 7:26 PM · Arma 3